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    Minimum standard for next year

    To be a truly great team it isn’t enough to win once in Europe, and it
    certainly isn’t good enough to only win your league once in a decade
    or so. The time for excuses about the Magner’s League has to end,
    next season we need to lay waste to any team that crosses that has
    the unspeakable misfortune to cross our path. We need to adopt the
    win in Ravenhill as our minimum standard, in fact, we should
    demand, much, much more, as conceding 21 points to makeweights
    like Ulster is nothing to be proud of.

    The time is primed for a new Munster team to step forward, albeit
    one that is guided and fashioned by traditional Munster players,
    playing to traditional Munster values like honesty and aggression.
    Anthony Foley has given an awful lot to the cause, but if the callow
    Munster team is to succeed, they will need to be able to draw on his
    guile, ability and leadership. We need our prospective props, Hurley
    and Buckley to so dominate their opponents that Horan and Hayes
    will watch nervously from the RWC. Both have showed well against
    international players this season. No quarter can be given or asked,
    regardless of how we fare at the world cup, those who remain behind
    must be given a fair fight for their place when the internationals
    return, and the only way they can deserve and demand that is if they
    put international standard performances in the Magner’s League.

    We need Cronin to prove the old cliché, if you’re good enough you’re
    old enough. We need Donnacha Ryan to highlight the lunacy of
    signing Wyatt every time he plays, that Wyatt ever started ahead of
    Ryan is hidden with the third secret of Fatima as one of the few
    remaining mysteries this world has to offer. We need O’Sullivan to
    prove that every great Munster team needs a Kerryman somewhere
    in it’s ranks, it’s a distinguished list but one he is capable of joining.
    And we need Foley to mould another Munster team into winners.

    Behind the scrum we need O’Leary to silence the opposition and the
    critics the only way he can, on the pitch, as a scrumhalf. He was the
    first Munster Academy player of the year, now is his time to show he
    has plenty of more awards to win yet.

    Who to play at outhalf? In Manning we have a player who could be
    truly special, rushed through to the Munster team with indecent
    haste, the time is coming where he must throw down to O’Gara the
    same challenge O’Gara threw down to Keane. Yes O’Gara in one of
    the best in Europe, but Manning has to back himself to be even
    better, no point playing for Munster otherwise. Some will say we
    should play Warwick at outhalf, but surely the time for unqualifiable
    outhalves ended with Contepomi’s meltdown in London? We need to
    find a replacement for O’Gara while time is still a luxury.

    In the back five, Warwick can hopefully play a role similar to Catt’s
    role at London Irish this season, as a second 5/8th. Barry Murphy
    needs to put his injuries behind him, like the many defenders he is
    going to outwit and out play in the coming season. By playing Mafi
    and Lewis on the wings we will genuinely have the long lost pace to
    counter attack, allowing us utilise Carney as fullback, where frankly,
    he do what he likes as long as it’s brilliant.

    We need to start demoralising teams long before they come to play
    us. The opposition should be visiting their doctors for painkillers long
    before the game even starts, perhaps the prudent will book time in a
    restful sanatorium after playing us, or perhaps seek an easy game
    the next weekend, like lining out against Leinster and other part-time
    teams.

    To be a truly great team, we need
    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

    Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

    #2
    We also need the HC to be around next season.
    Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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      #3
      It'll be around, too much money for the clubs to lose, and the RFU
      aren't exactly famous for backing down so something will go ahead.
      It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

      Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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        #4


        Originally posted by JoeyFantastic
        To be a truly great team it isn’t enough to win once in Europe, and it
        certainly isn’t good enough to only win your league once in a decade
        or so. The time for excuses about the Magner’s League has to end,
        next season we need to lay waste to any team that crosses that has
        the unspeakable misfortune to cross our path. We need to adopt the
        win in Ravenhill as our minimum standard, in fact, we should
        demand, much, much more, as conceding 21 points to makeweights
        like Ulster is nothing to be proud of.

        The time is primed for a new Munster team to step forward, albeit
        one that is guided and fashioned by traditional Munster players,
        playing to traditional Munster values like honesty and aggression.
        Anthony Foley has given an awful lot to the cause, but if the callow
        Munster team is to succeed, they will need to be able to draw on his
        guile, ability and leadership. We need our prospective props, Hurley
        and Buckley to so dominate their opponents that Horan and Hayes
        will watch nervously from the RWC. Both have showed well against
        international players this season. No quarter can be given or asked,
        regardless of how we fare at the world cup, those who remain behind
        must be given a fair fight for their place when the internationals
        return, and the only way they can deserve and demand that is if they
        put international standard performances in the Magner’s League.

        We need Cronin to prove the old cliché, if you’re good enough you’re
        old enough. We need Donnacha Ryan to highlight the lunacy of
        signing Wyatt every time he plays, that Wyatt ever started ahead of
        Ryan is hidden with the third secret of Fatima as one of the few
        remaining mysteries this world has to offer. We need O’Sullivan to
        prove that every great Munster team needs a Kerryman somewhere
        in it’s ranks, it’s a distinguished list but one he is capable of joining.
        And we need Foley to mould another Munster team into winners.

        Behind the scrum we need O’Leary to silence the opposition and the
        critics the only way he can, on the pitch, as a scrumhalf. He was the
        first Munster Academy player of the year, now is his time to show he
        has plenty of more awards to win yet.

        Who to play at outhalf? In Manning we have a player who could be
        truly special, rushed through to the Munster team with indecent
        haste, the time is coming where he must throw down to O’Gara the
        same challenge O’Gara threw down to Keane. Yes O’Gara in one of
        the best in Europe, but Manning has to back himself to be even
        better, no point playing for Munster otherwise. Some will say we
        should play Warwick at outhalf, but surely the time for unqualifiable
        outhalves ended with Contepomi’s meltdown in London? We need to
        find a replacement for O’Gara while time is still a luxury.

        In the back five, Warwick can hopefully play a role similar to Catt’s
        role at London Irish this season, as a second 5/8th. Barry Murphy
        needs to put his injuries behind him, like the many defenders he is
        going to outwit and out play in the coming season. By playing Mafi
        and Lewis on the wings we will genuinely have the long lost pace to
        counter attack, allowing us utilise Carney as fullback, where frankly,
        he do what he likes as long as it’s brilliant.

        We need to start demoralising teams long before they come to play
        us. The opposition should be visiting their doctors for painkillers long
        before the game even starts, perhaps the prudent will book time in a
        restful sanatorium after playing us, or perhaps seek an easy game
        the next weekend, like lining out against Leinster and other part-time
        teams.

        To be a truly great team, we need to play so that when our greats
        come back from the world cup they will have to raise their games to
        get games.

        am i the only on
        Seven social sins: politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice



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          #5
          Who was the 2nd row that also won a Munster academy player of the yr?
          Seas suas agus troid!

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            #6
            Originally posted by scotscor

            am i the only one who thinks that sounds like
            harry?
            It was written in a Cork accent.

            Form has to our formost selection method next year.
            It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

            Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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              #7
              <DIV>
              Originally posted by LLCOOLJ14
              Who was the 2nd row that also won a Munster academy player of the yr?
              </DIV>
              <DIV>Shane O'Connor?</DIV>
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              If you’re fat stay in the ruck - Liam Toland

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                #8
                Ross Noonan won it last year...id say thats him,he plays at 6 adn in the 2nd row
                Shaqtastic...29 points

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                  #9
                  i'll give the legend that is declan kidney 4 games to shape up. no place for sentiment lads.

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                    #10


                    Firstly the ML needs to be a priority for next season.


                    Secondly we need to plan for that priority, and also for what happens when the internationals come back from the WC etc. If we are to be a successful side at least one of the players who was on world cup duty must lose their place for at least the first few weeks. It has to be possible for someone to push past the internationals. It should have happened last year with MOD, who imho, should have kept POC out of the team when he came back from injury. As at the time MOD was playing exceptionally well, and POC had spent 3 months on the table.


                    We have the potential for a great season next year, but I would like to see our world cup team given a bit more time this year. Who does it look like our world cup squad will be drawn from?:


                    Mossie, Dennis Hurley, Nicky Laharrague?


                    Kelly/Carney (I think one will make the rwc), Horgan, Mafi, Murphy, Lewis, Dowling, Earls


                    Warwick, Manning


                    TOL, Gerry Hurley, Chris De Looze


                    FOLEY, JOS, Coughlan


                    Niall Ronan


                    Michael Essex, Melbourne


                    Ryna, SOC, Wyatt, Madigan


                    Hurley, Ryan, Buckley, Puc, McGovern


                    Cronin. Fogarty.





                    Am I missing anyone/lots?





                    Seven social sins: politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice



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                      #11
                      Sheehan wont travel to France.
                      Shaqtastic...29 points

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                        #12
                        I'd say he will, the only one close in the pecking order is Jackman whocant hit a barn door and is due to be suspended around then as well. John Fogarty isnt even assured of a starting place in Connacht (I dont know how good flavin is)
                        Seven social sins: politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice



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                          #13
                          Sheehan will travel, but what good does it do him if he stays in the
                          stands for the tournament? Same with MOD, might go out as 3rd in line
                          for Ireland and come back 4th in line for Munster.

                          Surprised you list Anthony Horgan in the above list, at the risk of being
                          negative, is he really going to be kept anywhere near the first team
                          next year? He really, really needs a big game.
                          It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

                          Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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                            #14
                            and sorry for hijacking your thread Joey, I think he will be about next year, it will probably be his final year, but with the world cup on and Munster already likely to lose payne, cullen and halstead
                            Seven social sins: politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice



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                              #15
                              Originally posted by scotscor


                              Firstly the ML needs to be a priority for next season.


                              Secondly we need to plan for that priority, and also for what happens when the internationals come back from the WC etc. If we are to be a successful side at least one of the players who was on world cup duty must lose their place for at least the first few weeks. It has to be possible for someone to push past the internationals. It should have happened last year with MOD, who imho, should have kept POC out of the team when he came back from injury. As at the time MOD was playing exceptionally well, and POC had spent 3 months on the table.


                              We have the potential for a great season next year, but I would like to see our world cup team given a bit more time this year. Who does it look like our world cup squad will be drawn from?:


                              Mossie, Dennis Hurley, Nicky Laharrague?


                              Kelly/Carney (I think one will make the rwc), Horgan, Mafi, Murphy, Lewis, Dowling, Earls


                              Warwick, Manning


                              TOL, Gerry Hurley, Chris De Looze


                              FOLEY, JOS, Coughlan


                              Niall Ronan


                              Michael Essex, Melbourne


                              Ryna, SOC, Wyatt, Madigan


                              Hurley, Ryan, Buckley, Puc, McGovern


                              Cronin. Fogarty.





                              Am I missing anyone/lots?








                              I sincerely agree that the ML should be treated as priority. It is a competition that need's to be developed further and also it is our bread and butter. All the recent crap happening on each side of La Manche and the knock on effects for the Welsh, Scots and ourselves makes it simple and clear that we need to be focusing more on our domestic competition. The ML could rival the GP and Top 14 if only it was respected and supported properly.
                              "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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