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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by jeepers View Post
    Earls would not have been turned over if he had support. Joe has you programmed like the rest of the internationals about not risking anything. Rob Kearney explained that is why he always runs for contact to a spot that he had been been programmed to run to as the support know where he is going to end up.

    Now that is braindead rugby.
    if you think it's an acceptable risk to run from adequate support in your own 22 and give up a seven pointer when there's an option to kick for touch then there's something lacking.

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  • jeepers
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    Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
    are you really saying that Murray does not take at least 10 seconds too long deciding what to do at the base of the ruck? Phfew...

    As as for mixing up Zebo's hands, thank you for demonstrating my point, he has a decent pass off one side, the side doesn't matter.

    Earls being able to ruck has nothing to do with his tendency to run like a headless rabbit away from support and lose the ball, best instance of this is Young's try on Saturday. Earls gathers a kick , runs across the park and gets turned over, then Ryan (sub TH) instead of supporting Copeland walks over the other side of the ruck directing the defence that way, then Copeland misses his pillar tackle. It all starts with earls being turned over.

    earls has all of the skills you want in a good winger, it's his decision making in open field that is lacking. Now if the brains trust in Munster could sort that one out he truly could be world class.
    Earls would not have been turned over if he had support. Joe has you programmed like the rest of the internationals about not risking anything. Rob Kearney explained that is why he always runs for contact to a spot that he had been been programmed to run to as the support know where he is going to end up.

    Now that is braindead rugby.

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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by thoughtless View Post
    All of Zebo's notable long passes that I can recall have been off his right. I'm not even going to bother linking to clips of Earls' rucking, it's something anyone who's ever watched him play would know. And that comparison between Reddan and Murray is painful to read it's so outdated. You're embarrassing yourself, please stop.
    are you really saying that Murray does not take at least 10 seconds too long deciding what to do at the base of the ruck? Phfew...

    As as for mixing up Zebo's hands, thank you for demonstrating my point, he has a decent pass off one side, the side doesn't matter.

    Earls being able to ruck has nothing to do with his tendency to run like a headless rabbit away from support and lose the ball, best instance of this is Young's try on Saturday. Earls gathers a kick , runs across the park and gets turned over, then Ryan (sub TH) instead of supporting Copeland walks over the other side of the ruck directing the defence that way, then Copeland misses his pillar tackle. It all starts with earls being turned over.

    earls has all of the skills you want in a good winger, it's his decision making in open field that is lacking. Now if the brains trust in Munster could sort that one out he truly could be world class.
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  • Boo-boo
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    I cannot believe we are 6 pages in and nobody has asked Bob.
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  • thoughtless
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    Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
    Earls is a fast winger with a good eye for a gap and a really good step, I didn't see him hit an awful lot of rucks on Saturday, did you? I did see him turned over more than once or twice though. That's the definition of a good winger, he's not the world beater you think he is, but that's fine, it's your bias talking.

    zebo is pretty similar, decent enough pace, silly hop step that fools no one of note, good long pass off his left, and a good poachers instinct. He's a good winger, no more than that.

    murray may be injured, but he's been glacial at the base of the ruck for a long time now, this is not a coaching issue, just look at reds an who's, for all his faults knows where the ball is going before he gets to the base of the ruck.

    theyre decent players, they're just not the world beaters you think they are.
    All of Zebo's notable long passes that I can recall have been off his right. I'm not even going to bother linking to clips of Earls' rucking, it's something anyone who's ever watched him play would know. And that comparison between Reddan and Murray is painful to read it's so outdated. You're embarrassing yourself, please stop.

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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by jeepers View Post
    I said that Joe likes his wingers to be like flankers and hit a lot of rucks. And Earls in particular was very good at hitting rucks during the world cup. Murray Kinsella did some analysis which had Earls first to ruck on most occasions.

    You think that the great Joe would be able to turn a decent winger into a world class winger :o

    Unfortunately I don't think Joe can turn a good winger into a world class winger, oh how I wish he could.

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  • jeepers
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    Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
    Earls is a fast winger with a good eye for a gap and a really good step, I didn't see him hit an awful lot of rucks on Saturday, did you? I did see him turned over more than once or twice though. That's the definition of a good winger, he's not the world beater you think he is, but that's fine, it's your bias talking.

    zebo is pretty similar, decent enough pace, silly hop step that fools no one of note, good long pass off his left, and a good poachers instinct. He's a good winger, no more than that.

    murray may be injured, but he's been glacial at the base of the ruck for a long time now, this is not a coaching issue, just look at reds an who's, for all his faults knows where the ball is going before he gets to the base of the ruck.

    theyre decent players, they're just not the world beaters you think they are.
    I said that Joe likes his wingers to be like flankers and hit a lot of rucks. And Earls in particular was very good at hitting rucks during the world cup. Murray Kinsella did some analysis which had Earls first to ruck on most occasions.

    You think that the great Joe would be able to turn a decent winger into a world class winger :o

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  • Oldschoolsocks
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    Originally posted by jeepers View Post
    Joe wants flankers who can hit rucks, not wingers. All the good stuff is being coached out of those 3 players (though I think Murray maybe carrying an injury at the moment, so I wouldn't be too harsh on him).
    Earls is a fast winger with a good eye for a gap and a really good step, I didn't see him hit an awful lot of rucks on Saturday, did you? I did see him turned over more than once or twice though. That's the definition of a good winger, he's not the world beater you think he is, but that's fine, it's your bias talking.

    zebo is pretty similar, decent enough pace, silly hop step that fools no one of note, good long pass off his left, and a good poachers instinct. He's a good winger, no more than that.

    murray may be injured, but he's been glacial at the base of the ruck for a long time now, this is not a coaching issue, just look at reds an who's, for all his faults knows where the ball is going before he gets to the base of the ruck.

    theyre decent players, they're just not the world beaters you think they are.

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  • madra_cogaidh_16
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    They travel like those you mentioned. We only have four clubs developing the teams rather than the coaches is clearly our priority.

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  • whimpersnap
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    Originally posted by madra_cogaidh_16 View Post
    Absolutely there is but you need experience to develop it and none of those were given head coaching roles without it, but attracting some of them back would be great. Rodge needs a bit more experience under his belt; Jackson has Grenoble humming but I doubt he`d come here, Leinster would do really well bringing him back and there isn`t a hope with O`Shea he turned down the Italy job last week. Taking a gamble on a great player for forwards coach like Leinster did with Gibbes could be an option but we need a proper head coach to direct our rugby and there`s many more with experience in the SH.
    But how do you propose Irish coaches coming through if you never take a chance on them? Foley had a few years in the Munster and Ireland A set-up. Elwood had similar at Connacht and Ireland underage. Cullen had less at Leinster. Unless you pack guys off to the continent or give them very specialised jobs for a few years, regardless of what their boss thinks, you're going to struggle to develop coaches without taking some chances.

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  • madra_cogaidh_16
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    Lam's first managerial position was as an Assistant Coach to Scotland at the 2003 Rugby World Cup.[6]
    He was Head Coach of Auckland from 2004 until 2008. During his Auckland tenure he also coached the Pacific Islanders in 2006. He was Head Coach of Super Rugbyteam the Blues from 2009 to 2012.[7]
    He worked with Samoa on the team's 2012 tour. Samoa's victories saw it reach eighth in the IRB rankings, and a secure second tier position for the 2015 Rugby World Cup.[8][9]

    He then went to the dog track to beat guy noves !

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  • madra_cogaidh_16
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    Its many different factors but we have a track record of SH coaches flourishing here, Cheika didn`t do well with Stade, but you compare the experience of Lam to anyone on our ticket and its ridiculous !

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  • jeepers
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    Lam failed with the Blues though. Schmidt didn't do well back in New Zealand either with them.

    I wonder is it something to do with it being easier to coach at a club where the fans don't have such high expectations?

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  • madra_cogaidh_16
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    Absolutely there is but you need experience to develop it and none of those were given head coaching roles without it, but attracting some of them back would be great. Rodge needs a bit more experience under his belt; Jackson has Grenoble humming but I doubt he`d come here, Leinster would do really well bringing him back and there isn`t a hope with O`Shea he turned down the Italy job last week. Taking a gamble on a great player for forwards coach like Leinster did with Gibbes could be an option but we need a proper head coach to direct our rugby and there`s many more with experience in the SH.

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