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    #31
    Ah don't be like that OD. I rate him and he will be my vote, but for teh 12 shirt.
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      #32


      Originally posted by Clubman
      Ah don't be like that OD. I rate him and he will be my vote, but for teh 12 shirt.

      I'll be voting for him, for the 12 jersey as well. Kiernan for the 13 imo.

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        #33


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          #34


          Has to be Jerry Walsh at 12 and Mick Kiernan at 13 .... they would have been some combination .... A Sundays Well / Dolphin centre partnership ... I know Walshalso played with UCC
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            #35
            I agree Kiernan has to be considered but i think Hendo should get it. a British Liona and scorer of a try that won us the first Celtic Cup. If your talking about one hit that made Dennison made in a match Hendo made countless hits and his commimtent to the Munster cause was full. I was too youn to see Dennison but have seen that tackle many times. Was he any good apart from that. According to the Alone it Stands play he was considered to be too small going into that match.
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              #36
              Great debate.


              I have to say i backed Mullins for the spot - what a player, what a
              contribution, and to finish when he did it just seems too cruel. Missing
              the 2006 HEC final after being part of the group of players that got us
              there - he's up there with gallaimh for me.

              However i do remember as a kid Kiernan on the telly and I have to
              say that for me he IS the standard you judge a centre by. The jink
              he had! bloody hell. The only player you could compare him to these
              days is BoD (was he better than BoD?) .
              Am I wrong backin Mikey???? I don't think so but Kiernan was a
              much better player - in his day - than Mikey was in his.

              BUT
              D'junolike
              it's mikey for me.

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                #37
                Will be putting up the poll later today, so last chance for arguments / nominations
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by SamJo


                  Has to be Jerry Walsh at 12 and Mick Kiernan at 13 .... they would have been some combination .... A Sundays Well / Dolphin centre partnership ... I know Walshalso played with UCC


                  That's the way I'll be voting as well SamJo. Mike Mullins was a great servant to Munster Rugby (as wasJason Holland), but Michael Kiernan had the speed, pass, kick and could defend. In fairness, he had it all.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Point
                    Originally posted by Balla Boy


                    Dennison by dint of that hit alone. Kiernan in at 12.


                    We're talking about legends here, after all. The technicalities of player ability are secondary, imho, to the aura that surrounds them.


                    Dennisoncreated one of the seminal moments in Munster rugby history - a single tackle still talked about three decades later.


                    I think that is too populist, Balla. Jerry Walsh was supposed to have been the hardest hitter of his time. One hit doth not a legend make, except when you're trying to flog a play.


                    It may be, but isn't that the point of the exercise? A forensic analysis of players abilities is always going to lose out to the emotional response that they invoke I think.


                    It's the nature of icons, mythsand legends, isn't it?
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                      #40
                      Very true Balla boy, some players will appear on this team precisely for those very reasons
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                        #41


                        So before I put the poll up


                        it's Jerry Walsh


                        Rob Henderson


                        Michael Kiernan


                        Mickey Mullins


                        Seamus Dennison


                        Have I forgot anyone?


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                          #42


                          Important to remember that in Jerry Walsh's era many teams were still playing centres as left and right rather than inside and outside centre. Flankers were also playing left and right but to a lesser degree.


                          Jerry Walsh was a demonic exponent of the crash tackle, probably without peer in any era before or since. He was also a very good runner and distributor of the ball and would be in the Hendo style and category of player. The teams he played for (listed above) had some serious speed in the backs - Casey, Brophy, O'Reilly and Hunter were all fliers. JW would have been and was the slowest of the entire 3/4 line but he was no slouch. His handling ability was less important with Mick English at out-half because the ball invariably was sent skyward for the backs to chase and the poor bugger who caught it usually had Walsh separating him from the ball at chest height, full speed and then a serious trampling followed.


                          I was at te 0-0 tie against England - as dire a match of touhline rugby as has ever been played. The following game against Scotland was nearly as bad and it was a huge surprise that Scotland won. The game in Cardiff was notable for some scintillating rugby and a superb try scored by Pat Casey who was most definitely playing outside Walsh at the time.





                          Paddy Reid is another who would merit serious consideration but even I don't remeber him playing - before my time I'm afraid. He had a reputation for great hands, pace, feet (kicking) and also as a very hard tackler.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Valencia


                            So before I put the poll up


                            it's Jerry Walsh


                            Rob Henderson


                            Michael Kiernan


                            Mickey Mullins


                            Seamus Dennison


                            Have I forgot anyone?





                            Philip Danaher is worth putting in the poll I think, he won't win but he's worth an honourable mention
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