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    #16


    It's just a bluff to get their way. Look at Peter Tom's quotes in the last article.


    "There would have to be meetings in a very short period of time in which all of the current issues can be agreed. I don't think we can continue in the way we have before with lots of different sets of talks.

    "We need to be prepared to lock ourselves in a room for 24 hours to sort it out."

    = "We're pulling out of the HEC because we can't agree. Now you see how serious we are, let's meet again."


    Balls.


    You have to dare to lose to win, you have to dare to lose to win, you have to dare to lose to win. A winner hates to lose, but the winner is not afraid of losing. That\'s the difference, that\'s the difference.

    - Prof. Willi Railo (sports psychologist)

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      Good to see on the money as usual! I think I'll throw a few bob on Biarritz for the HEC.




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        <TD>@@@@SPAN =post>Let me see if I have got this right...

        * France win the right to host the Rugby World Cup (RWC) - how much bending over for the Southern Hemisphere did that take?
        * RWC runs from 9th September to 20th October
        * French League (LNR) is longest running in Northern Hemisphere (mid August to beginning of June) not helped by the fact that they do not play during 7 weeks of the 6 Nations
        * LNR realise that they will be playing during the RWC so their League is "devalued" - really important when you are trying to negotiate a new television deal
        * LNR reckons something has to give. Not going to be the RWC or their domestic League, so they decide to withdraw from the only other competition in the calendar, the Heineken Cup (not helped by the fact that the HC does not start until after the RWC and therefore no clashes)
        * LNR come up with a brilliant wheeze - blame the English
        * Normal infighting between the RFU and PRL (the Premiership Clubs), this time about voting rights and shares in ERC, used as an excuse by the French to pull out of the HC
        * RFU quite rightly tell LNR to bog off and mind their own business
        * PRL take a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude and declare that if the French pull out of the HC, so will they
        * All sorts of posturing results, RFU threatening to sue PRL, etc.
        * In the meantime PRL start looking around for fixture to replace the HC - expansion of the Premiership is mooted, expansion of the Anglo Welsh Cup (AWC), friendlies against the French Clubs (what the ?!?), etc

        The upshot of this?

        Who is damaged? The Heineken Cup, obviously.
        * If either the French or the English Clubs withdraw from the HC, it will be damaged, but will survive. Look at 1998/99.
        * If both the French and the English Clubs withdraw, the HC will not happen next season. It may even be the death knell for the entire competition.
        * Between them they have managed to up the best rugby Club competition in the world (and I include the Super 14 / Wonderful 12 / Adequate 8 or whatever it is called)
        * How long will Heineken continue to sponsor this competition and get their name tarnished by the amateurish antics of the RFC / PRL / LNR, etc.?
        * BTW, when the English Clubs declined to take part in the 1998/99 competition, Heineken declined to sponsor it. If you want to wind up Ulster supporters, remind them that Ulster have never won the Heineken Cup. Fact.

        * Irish / Welsh / Scottish / Italian rugby will be damaged as the most important / popular / competitive competition is denied them.
        * Given the parlous state of Scottish rugby finances, they cannot afford to lose the most lucrative games of their Club's season.
        * The Welsh have their Anglo Welsh Mickey Mouse Cup to fall back on, I suppose.
        * On the other hand, the Magners League may well be boosted, simply because it is the only show in town. Stop the Welsh whining about the Irish

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          #19


          The LNR signed their deal with Canal+ back at the start of March. If the money was dependant on not clashing Top with RWC then the boycott was always going to happen and Blanco is a liar.


          Let's hope the English realise they have been taken for a ride before it's too late.

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            The Scottish Rugby Union has warned that the professional game north of
            the border could die if European club competitions are scrapped next
            season.











            English and French clubs have withdrawn from next season's Heineken Cup and European Challenge Cup.











            "The future viability of the professional game in Scotland could be jeopardised," read a SRU statement.











            "If there is no European competition in the 2007-08 season, Scottish Rugby's net revenue will reduce by over £2m."
















            The SRU are mired in a debt of more than £20m and recently announced
            that the Border Reivers are to be disbanded at the end of this season.






            The English and French clubs have been embroiled in a row over shareholding and voting rights in European rugby.







            The SRU statement continued: "Scottish Rugby holds the European
            competition in the highest regard and recognises the considerable
            contribution to the event's success made by clubs from France and
            England.

            "Scottish Rugby representatives will take part in
            next week's meetings with ERC in Dublin and will seek to clarify how
            the decision will impact on all other remaining participants from
            Scotland, Ireland, Wales, and Italy.

            "Scottish Rugby is pleased to learn that the RFU will
            be taking further legal advice in the next few days before reaching its
            final decision over its position.






            "Scottish Rugby will consider matters further after next week's Dublin meeting and an approach to the IRB is likely."




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              The Welsh Rugby Union has blasted the handling of the Heineken Cup
              crisis after the boycott by English and French clubs left next year's
              event in doubt.











              "There hasn't been enough straight talking around the table," said WRU group chief executive Roger Lewis.











              "That impacts on the livelihood of players, on fans' loyalty, and on rugby's credibility as a business.











              "We have discussed contingency plans with our four regions, but our focus is trying to save the 2007/8 tournament."










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              Lewis says that he has been talking to the parties involved over a
              period of months and that he will continue to try to get the French
              clubs, the English clubs and the Rugby Football Union to back out of
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              "We can't assume that sponsors and broadcasters will stand by us," said Lewis.











              "There has been a lack of sophistication and maturity and that causes great concern."







              The Blues, Dragons, Ospreys and Scarlets each face a £500,000 deficit
              from their budget for missing out on Heineken Cup competition, not to
              mention additional money should they have made the knockout stages.






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                #22
                yet to hear from the IRFU....

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                  #23

                  Originally posted by Drahcir
                  yet to hear from the IRFU....
                  Seem to be the only union with the cop on to keep quiet and not attempt to conduct thru the media. If there's one thing megaphone diplomacy is guaranteed not to bring us it's a resolution. Best to let things be till they all get together in Stephen's Green next week.
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                    #24


                    Surely the IRB as Regulators of Rugby worldwide could impose sanctions on the English Clubs for not keeping to the their contract with the RFU to play in the HCUP by not sanctioning the Guinness Premiership as a competition next season. No IRB registered Refs sanctioned to officiate would surely f**k them up.


                    As regards Fat Blanco and the LNR they must be surely the worst liars in Rugby. They never had any interest in the English clubs situation and only their own interests was their concern. I always had agreat regard for French club Rugby but this bunch of liars have surely lost any respect.

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                      How dare those mean, selfish English and French Clubs put their own interests ahead of those of the Celtic parasiteswho desperately need the HEC to support their expensive structures. [img]smileys/lol.gif[/img]
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                        Originally posted by Old Dog
                        How dare those mean, selfish English and French Clubs put their own interests ahead of those of the Celtic parasiteswho desperately need the HEC to support their expensive structures. [img]smileys/lol.gif[/img]

                        OD


                        Just in case you dont understand maybe you are great fun as a Wind Up Merchant but you have nothing constructive to offer about an artificial created dispute that affects the livelihood of hundredsof players and the enjoyment of hundres of thousands of Rugby followers.

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                          Originally posted by Ragusa


                          Originally posted by Old Dog
                          How dare those mean, selfish English and French Clubs put their own interests ahead of those of the Celtic parasiteswho desperately need the HEC to support their expensive structures. [img]smileys/lol.gif[/img]

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                          Just in case you dont understand maybe you are great fun as a Wind Up Merchant but you have nothing constructive to offer about an artificial created dispute that affects the livelihood of hundredsof players and the enjoyment of hundres of thousands of Rugby followers.


                          I have lots to contribute - but as it involves highlighting the logic behind the approach of the "Big 2"- and theludicrousness of your stance - I suppose it is a tad unpalatable for you to read and digest.


                          Here's a freetip for you - abusing the bearer of unpleasant truths is, generally, a pointless exercise.


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                            English second division teams could be entered in next season's
                            Heineken Cup, Rugby Football Union chairman Martyn Thomas has said.











                            The competition's future is in doubt after English and French teams voted to boycott it next season.











                            "If the Premier League clubs decide not to participate, we do have a second division," Thomas said.











                            "We will talk to these clubs. I will do all that I can do to ensure (the tournament) continues."









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                            Earlier on Good Friday, Thomas and Leicester chairman Peter Tom said the Heineken Cup could go on next season.











                            The duo told BBC Sport they would be prepared to meet in order to try to resolve the situation.









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                            "We remain available 24/7 to meet Premier Rugby and seek a solution. The Cup can be saved," said Thomas.







                            Tom agreed but added: "There would have to be meetings in a very short
                            period of time in which all of the current issues can be agreed. I
                            don't think we can continue in the way we have before with lots of
                            different sets of talks.






                            "We need to be prepared to lock ourselves in a room for 24 hours to sort it out."







                            Premier Rugby Limited said English teams were pulling out over an
                            alleged change of heart by the Rugby Football Union over giving clubs a
                            stake in the tournament.






                            The RFU replied by saying the clubs were in c

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                              <h3>Players' union wades into European war</h3>
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                              The
                              Professional Rugby Players' Association (PRA) have reacted angrily to
                              the ongoing row which forced the Anglo-French boycott of next season's
                              Heineken Cup.






                              The 12 Guinness Premiership clubs and the French Top 14 voted
                              not to participate in any European competition next season in a row
                              with the Rugby Football Union over shareholding and voting rights.





                              But PRA chief executive Damian Hopley demanded all parties stop
                              the bickering and "take a leap of faith" in order to resolve the
                              long-running battle between the RFU and the clubs.





                              Hopley said: "The endless club versus country battle is doing
                              material damage to the sport and the players are now calling on both
                              Premier Rugby [the clubs' umbrella body] and the RFU to stop these
                              public disputes and find a lasting solution, in conjunction with the
                              PRA.





                              "Given the direct financial implications of these latest
                              developments to the club game, we believe that all stakeholders should
                              be able to directly influence the competitions in which they
                              participate, but this must be done as part of a solution that addresses
                              the player welfare and international release issues.




                              "It is time for both parties to take a leap of faith, get round
                              the table and stop the public slanging matches. The patience of both
                              the rugby players and the rugby fans is wearing extremely thin.





                              "The PRA are offering to facilitate a meeting with both parties at a neutral venue in order to agree a workable solution.





                              "The players all want to play in a tournament that rated so
                              highly in the Ipsos Mori survey and the PRA believe by acting as the
                              voice of reason it would help establish a sustainable future for the
                              game."





                              The current European Rugby Cup agreement expires this season and
                              negotiations have been going on for 16 months to nail down a new
                              long-term deal.





                              As part of the new agreement Premier Rugby want the RFU to hand
                              over 50% of the shareholding and voting rights of European Rugby Cup
                              Ltd.



                              Premier Rugby say an agreement to that effect was reached w

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                                #30
                                English and French clubs frozen out over Cup boycott</font>Paul Rees
                                </font>Saturday April 7, 2007
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                                Guardian Unlimited</font>The
                                English and French clubs who voted to boycott the Heineken Cup face the
                                wrath of the International Rugby Board, which has ordered unions
                                throughout the world not to sanction matches with them.</font>

                                The
                                Celtic unions fear a financial fallout if Premier Rugby and Ligue
                                Nationale de Rugby go ahead with the boycott, and the Scottish Rugby
                                Union yesterday said that the future of the professional game north of
                                the border was at stake. The heads of the French and English unions
                                held a conference call yesterday to discuss tactics ahead of
                                Wednesday's Dublin board meeting of European Rugby Cup Ltd.</font>

                                The
                                Rugby Football Union's management board chairman, Martyn Thomas, said
                                he was determined to ensure the Heineken Cup went ahead next season. He
                                will meet First Division Rugby officials on Tuesday to discuss the
                                prospect of second- tier clubs replacing Premiership sides in the
                                event. The French Rugby Federation president, Bernard Lapasset, and the
                                chief executive of the Professional Rugby Players' Association, Damian
                                Hopley, have off ered to broker talks between the RFU and Premier Rugby.</font>

                                "I
                                have had positive talks with FDR and we will sit down next week," said
                                Thomas. "It is essential to keep the competition going in some form and
                                there is still time for Premier Rugby to return to the table. The IRB
                                is extremely concerned at what has happened this week and is reminding
                                unions of their responsibilities. What we are talking about is the
                                whole ethos of the world game. Who governs it: the board, through its
                                unions, or the clubs?"</font>

                                The
                                Premier Rugby chief executive, Mark McCafferty, will also be at the ERC
                                board meeting. He maintained that it was not too late to save the
                                tournament . "I have a couple of proposals to put before the ERC
                                board," said McCafferty. "Even though LNR said their decision was
                                non-reversible, I would try to persuade them to come back in if we
                                could agree a deal next week which would see the unions and clubs
                                become equal partners. "The IRB seems to think we are going to try and
                                go off to places like South Africa to play, but that is complete
                                nonsense. We are not looking to try to run the game: we just want to be
                                treated as equals rather than told what to do.</font>

                                "The
                                Board is conducting a major review of the international calendar, but
                                we have not been invited to take part in the process even though
                                whatever decision is reached will impact on our businesses. What we
                                want is for both the international and club games to be strong, not for
                                one to succeed at the expense of the other."</font>

                                Sponsors
                                and broadcasters were yesterday waiting to see what unfolded before
                                deciding whether to keep backing ERC. Thomas accepted that fielding
                                National League One clubs instead of the likes of Leicester and Wasps
                                would weaken the event. But, he said, "If English involvement would
                                keep the competition going for a year, it would be worth it."</font>

                                McCafferty
                                said that if FDR clubs stepped in, Premier Rugby would react. "The RFU
                                would be excluding us from a new tournament and they would have no
                                right to stop us from arranging alternative matches, but it does not
                                have to come to that. We are not a threat to the IRB

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