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  • JN.Allezdax.com
    started a topic The day after

    The day after

    The day after. Still so sad despite the dazzling sun in a nearly cloudless blue sky. The wind that blows from northwest is cold. As is cold the feeling of the defeat. We nearly all think the same about the game of yesterday. We lost again a stronger team even if we keep the feeling that the Munster way of playing was on the “wrong” side. We were out powered by a team that looked bigger, best organized, more aggressive, ruthless in the loose and in defense. All these qualities that made Munster what they were and still are when the players do not forget them.
    Clermont were outstanding in nearly all the domains. They cooked us in a covered pot as we did so many times. And we could not find any solution. Worse, we butchered the rare occasions in their 22, we refused the game, and gave them the stick to beat us with, especially with awful kicking. With 10 points less at the break, instead of grabbing them by the throat, we kicked, kicked, kicked again, and most of all bad. We were unable to reverse the pressure and the trend. So we lost. We lost, ok, but we lost because they were better yesterday.
    And that’s where I wish to come: Don’t give up, don’t lose the faith, and believe. All in your genes wear the traces of passed defeats, of strokes of bad luck. But since Brian Boru, the adversity made Munster. Rugby is by far not a war, fortunately. But it still is a fight. And the team is the emblem of the region, of people there, of their fighting mentality. “Stand up and fight” is their motto. Defeat is never a shame again a strong opponent, when we have the feeling we gave all. The guys are probably bruised and hurt today. But let’s trust them a reaction next week. Munster people won the respect of the nearly whole rugby community around the world. The Clermont Yellow Army chose their name in reference to the Red Army. The team still has a giant reputation and scares the opponents.
    Pride, fellows, pride! Today, I still feel sad. But for God’ sake, never will sadness be beyond the pride I have to go with you and with the team, even from here.
    Proud to be a Munsterfan, Gwan Munster!

  • Ragusa
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    Originally posted by Boo-boo View Post
    It hurts alright but we weren'start . When a y a poor side. Which makes it an easier thing to take. They team was scarey the bench was scarey. The fans, so few, made noise to beat a stadium! It's great to hear them..even though it hurts.
    Bull****!!

    The only problem was ourselves on the night from the start . When a Team is sleepwalking the Supporters will also fall asleep.

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  • Treaty Stone
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    Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
    Good point about the league Balla. A top two finish will make things a lot easier in next year's Nigels cup as long as they don't change the seedlings to suit themselves that is.
    If we really believe we are contenders for Europe, then we must also believe we are No.1 in the Pro12. If we do end up with an early Europe exit, we can't have any excuses.

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  • mtcmolloy
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    Originally posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    My overriding thought after yesterday has been about how we could have done with Wally out there.

    I hope the cloning program reaps rewards soon.
    Thought the same. Not a good day for Tommy or many others. I did see him as first receiver a couple of times, and then went to pass it, or drop it.

    Originally posted by mac22 View Post
    The question that Im asking myself though is , Should JJ be given a go next week ?
    if keatley is allowing TOD to 'run' the show in the channel, then there is no point in swapping in JJ.
    I'd hoped smiths injury might land JJ in the centre, but that is too untried, I know. I suppose you could argue that
    JJ at outhalf would have more football for the kind of day that was in it.
    Last edited by mtcmolloy; 8th-December-2014, 14:18.

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  • zeno
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    Originally posted by JN.Allezdax.com View Post
    The team still has a giant reputation and scares the opponents.
    Pride, fellows, pride! Today, I still feel sad. But for God’ sake, never will sadness be beyond the pride I have to go with you and with the team, even from here.
    Proud to be a Munsterfan, Gwan Munster!
    You are the best poster on here JN!

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  • refugee
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    JN. Your post sums up my thoughts perfectly.

    We seemed to be bullied out there at times. However, all is not lost. Our response to this defeat will be a great indicator as to where we are with this particular team. Congratulations to CA on their well executed victory. Also congratulations to their supporters who supported their team superbly. A great bunch of people.
    Originally posted by JN.Allezdax.com View Post
    The day after. Still so sad despite the dazzling sun in a nearly cloudless blue sky. The wind that blows from northwest is cold. As is cold the feeling of the defeat. We nearly all think the same about the game of yesterday. We lost again a stronger team even if we keep the feeling that the Munster way of playing was on the “wrong” side. We were out powered by a team that looked bigger, best organized, more aggressive, ruthless in the loose and in defense. All these qualities that made Munster what they were and still are when the players do not forget them.
    Clermont were outstanding in nearly all the domains. They cooked us in a covered pot as we did so many times. And we could not find any solution. Worse, we butchered the rare occasions in their 22, we refused the game, and gave them the stick to beat us with, especially with awful kicking. With 10 points less at the break, instead of grabbing them by the throat, we kicked, kicked, kicked again, and most of all bad. We were unable to reverse the pressure and the trend. So we lost. We lost, ok, but we lost because they were better yesterday.
    And that’s where I wish to come: Don’t give up, don’t lose the faith, and believe. All in your genes wear the traces of passed defeats, of strokes of bad luck. But since Brian Boru, the adversity made Munster. Rugby is by far not a war, fortunately. But it still is a fight. And the team is the emblem of the region, of people there, of their fighting mentality. “Stand up and fight” is their motto. Defeat is never a shame again a strong opponent, when we have the feeling we gave all. The guys are probably bruised and hurt today. But let’s trust them a reaction next week. Munster people won the respect of the nearly whole rugby community around the world. The Clermont Yellow Army chose their name in reference to the Red Army. The team still has a giant reputation and scares the opponents.
    Pride, fellows, pride! Today, I still feel sad. But for God’ sake, never will sadness be beyond the pride I have to go with you and with the team, even from here.
    Proud to be a Munsterfan, Gwan Munster!

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  • aupa les rouges
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    With ten more points, what's our chance of progressing? On a quick scan across the groups, it didn't look out of the question.

    (Attention Piquet and Cowboy! PHISHING ALERT!!)

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  • the plastic paddy
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    Good point about the league Balla. A top two finish will make things a lot easier in next year's Nigels cup as long as they don't change the seedlings to suit themselves that is.

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  • FORWARD....
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    Good to see some optimism coming back into the Munsterfans pendulum of emotions. Clermont beat us well. They won't be that good again. We can be much better.

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  • Stringer9
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    Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
    I think JJ 10 and Keatley 12 is the better mix myself. Is it worth the punt though? If we lose on Sunday that is it for the European season because a second place team isn't getting out of this group. But lose one of JJ or Keatley and the whole season could be over. I would start JJ and Keatley on Sunday with Copeland in for CJ to try and run the legs off them. This would work well with Nig reffing as well.

    Like you said, lose this game and our Europe season will be pretty much over, I don't know about you but I'm not really willing to accept that yet.
    I'd rather we go out with a roar than a whimper.

    We can't be afraid to lose players to injury, we can't be that cautious, if we are we're just accepting defeat. If we want to win on the weekend we have to throw caution to the wind and just give it everything we have, including our best options, even if it risks losing players.
    I'm not about to just settle to think ah we won't risk it, but I guess it's about how much they want to stay in the competition.

    But it's pretty much irrelevant as JJ won't be picked to start.
    Last edited by Stringer9; 8th-December-2014, 09:08.

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  • Balla Boy
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    In the cold light of day, we clearly performed poorly. We were out-thought and out-fought at the breakdown, our midfield lacked control, our back row never got into it, our line out was (often illegally) disrupted.

    But some of the sense of fatalism has diminished. Murray didn't play particularly well, at least partly due to lack of protection. But he remains the best scrum half in the northern hemisphere. Our back row is still a very strong one and, if Stander follows through on the project thing, will one day be a test level unit. They can compete with any club back row when the plan is right.

    Our back three remain a dangerous mix, and I'm only more impressed with VdH the more I see of him. He has real footspeed and movement for a guy of his size and Felix's return to form is a gift.

    The only area where I'm still unconvinced is midfield, where we've clearly not developed a first choice pairing as yet.

    We're more than good enough to beat Sarries in London, and to put a home BP on Sale.

    We go to Clermont looking for a bit of a miracle, though. They're not, imo, as good a team as they were last time they beat us there. But we're not as god as we were then either.

    We'll need a hell of a performance, and we'll need to get an entirely different level out of our 10/12/13 axis (possibly with different personnel in there). But it's not impossible.

    And, if we don't, our season's not over. We're top of our league, and any trophy in his first season would be a good start for Axle.

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  • the plastic paddy
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    I think JJ 10 and Keatley 12 is the better mix myself. Is it worth the punt though? If we lose on Sunday that is it for the European season because a second place team isn't getting out of this group. But lose one of JJ or Keatley and the whole season could be over. I would start JJ and Keatley on Sunday with Copeland in for CJ to try and run the legs off them. This would work well with Nig reffing as well.

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  • mr chips
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    A lot of talk is of bringing JJ on at 12, but I seem to recall that the one time he was brought in at 10 with Keatley moving to 12 it was quite successful (was it against Connacht last season? can't remember) and Keatley spoke afterwards of how much he enjoyed the experience. Must admit I thought I'd see that used again but as far as I can remember it hasn't been repeated.

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  • Daithi
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    Originally posted by mac22 View Post
    I looked at it again, tactical kicking wasnt up to par , and the silly errors that we normally dont make !!, Our lineout was actually better than i thought ....

    The question that Im asking myself though is , Should JJ be given a go next week ?
    At the very least he should be used after 50 mins as an impact sub for Hurley. This would really help Munster's attack variety and give them more legs and football later in the game, rarely bad things to add at that stage!

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  • The Word Is Born
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    Yes. B-rolls.

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