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    Originally posted by whimpersnap View Post
    Does this necessarily follow, Piquet? From what I understand, teams in Manchester, etc. are kept apart due to policing concerns and to avoid traffic deadlock in cities. I don't think this really applies when Munster and Leinster are playing, although there is an argument that they should be kept apart as fans of both teams will probably go to one match and watch the other live.

    In the Champions' League, Group stages, last season, Man C and Man U played on the same nights one home one away and Chelsea and Arsenal did the same on the other night.

    This is done, primarily to spread out the TV audience but also for the other reasons you listed.

    ( An exception to this is Chelsea and Millwall who play at home on the same day. The Met likes to know where the Millwall fans are when Chelsea are at home and vice versa. )

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      Originally posted by Piquet View Post
      In the Champions' League, Group stages, last season, Man C and Man U played on the same nights one home one away and Chelsea and Arsenal did the same on the other night.

      This is done, primarily to spread out the TV audience but also for the other reasons you listed.

      ( An exception to this is Chelsea and Millwall who play at home on the same day. The Met likes to know where the Millwall fans are when Chelsea are at home and vice versa. )
      Chelsea and Fulham never play at home on the same day as the grounds are only about a mile apart.

      They also try to avoid QPR playing at home on the same day as either Chelsea or Fulham. Sometimes this is unavoidable so they don't have the same kick-off times. There is seldom any trouble so it is really to try and avoid the local police being overstretched and needing to call in more resources as all 3 grounds are in the same borough.

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        With just one month to go (apparently) before kick-off and the date not even set, can we take the Pro out of the Pro12 as their inability to schedule fixtures is amateurish at best.

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          Originally posted by psplay View Post
          With just one month to go (apparently) before kick-off and the date not even set, can we take the Pro out of the Pro12 as their inability to schedule fixtures is amateurish at best.
          I would save your ire for RRW, whose petulant actions with the scheduling of the Anglo-Welsh Cup have left the Pro12 with a presently impossible task. Two into one doesn't go.

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            Just set the fixtures and if the RRW don't turn up they forfeit the points.

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              Originally posted by mikerob View Post
              Chelsea and Fulham never play at home on the same day as the grounds are only about a mile apart.

              They also try to avoid QPR playing at home on the same day as either Chelsea or Fulham. Sometimes this is unavoidable so they don't have the same kick-off times. There is seldom any trouble so it is really to try and avoid the local police being overstretched and needing to call in more resources as all 3 grounds are in the same borough.
              Yes, but the reason they do it ( Police resources in the case you have described, TV resources or markets in the case of the Champions' League, ground sharing in Milan, Turin, Rome etc. ) is a secondary matter.

              The fact is that professionally run leagues are able to manipulate their fixture lists to accommodate special requirements such as those listed above and elsewhere. The PRO12 league is unable so to do. Therefore the PRO12 league is, IMHO, not being professionally run.

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                Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                Yes, but the reason they do it ( Police resources in the case you have described, TV resources or markets in the case of the Champions' League, ground sharing in Milan, Turin, Rome etc. ) is a secondary matter.

                The fact is that professionally run leagues are able to manipulate their fixture lists to accommodate special requirements such as those listed above and elsewhere. The PRO12 league is unable so to do. Therefore the PRO12 league is, IMHO, not being professionally run.
                There are added complications though between several tv companies and several unions involved.

                With regard to the Champions League - the games are played mid-week so they don't impinge on their league games. Those games will always be top priority on tv as well.

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                  Sky Sports Rugby ‏@SkySportsRugby 1m Stayed tuned for confirmation of dates and times for #Pro12onSky, coming soon......
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                  Just in from Sky. Later today hopefully.

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                    There are fewer complications (4 unions, 7 TV stations) with the PRO12 than there are with the Champions' league.
                    It's not difficult to have the matches scheduled so that as whimpersnap said above Fans in Ireland can go to their teams home match and watch the other Irish-hosted match on the same weekend.

                    A few years ago, Leinster, Ulster and Connacht were all playing at home on the same night. How were Connacht supposed to attract a decent crowd on a winter's night in the Sportsground when the other two teams' games were both on TV?
                    Last edited by Piquet; 6th-August-2014, 13:35. Reason: spelling

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                      Piquet - the complications are that there are other sports on as well - rugby is also playing second fiddle to soccer at the weekends. Soccer (champions League) can just decide when to play. Man Utd & Barcelona get the best times - everyone else fills in.

                      RTE's first priority on a Saturday evening used be English soccer - the rugby times were scheduled around that.

                      It seems to me to be that Ulster like to play on a Friday night whereas a Saturday evening suits Munster much better.

                      The 'problem' is that every PRO12 game is televised unlike most other leagues.

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                        Originally posted by jeepers View Post
                        It seems to me to be that Ulster like to play on a Friday night whereas a Saturday evening suits Munster much better.
                        Yes, so you schedule Ulster's and Munster's home games for the same weekends and have Leinster and Connacht at home for the other weekends.

                        Having the four Irish teams playing in Wales at a time of year when the Six Nations publicity has rugby right at the top of the sporting agenda is madness.

                        Having three Irish teams playing at home on Six Nations home weekends is similar lunacy.

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                          So maybe the day/timing doesn't suit the other broadcasters.

                          Its just easier for single country leagues to arrange their games (particularly when they are not televising every game in the competition).

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                            Not every game is televised. In the last few seasons

                            • Munster played in Glasgow at the same time as Leinster played in Edinburgh. Because of BBC Alba's lack of resources, only the Leinster game was broadcast.
                            • On more than one occasion, the two Italian teams have played at home on the same weekend. Because of a similar lack of facilities, only one match was broadcast.
                            • As mentioned above, Connacht have played a good few times at the same time as another Irish team's game has been televised.

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                              Good, so maybe the league organisers are trying to avoid teams playing at the same time when the broadcasters don't have the resources to cover all the games.

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                                So why, on the weekend of 13/14/15 Feb in Ireland have we got:
                                • Leinster v NGD
                                • Munster v Cardiff
                                • Ulster v Treviso
                                • Ireland v France
                                • Ireland A v France A (possibly)
                                • Ireland Ladies v France Ladies
                                • Ireland U20s v France U20s


                                and two weeks later on 27/28Feb/1 Mar:
                                • Munster v Glasgow,
                                • Connacht v Treviso,
                                • Ulster v Scarlets,
                                • Ireland v England,
                                • Ireland A v England A,
                                • Ireland Ladies v England Ladies,
                                • Ireland U20s v England U20s ?


                                and the following week 6/7/8 Mar nothing?

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