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    Funnily enough, I have long maintained that the IRB got rid of hooking for precisely the reasons Leicester are arguing however I think they were ,and Leicester are, wrong.


      Well hopefully we've seen the back of Munster packs failing to take the hit on even terms anyway but if not then the new interpretations and enforcing of existing laws might actually help. Without all this nonsense of packs pushing before the ball comes in and ignorant referees viewing that as dominance we might see some proper old school scrummaging and an even chance at things. (And bearing in mind the same referees will be in charge, porcine creatures might be aviating as well).
      \"A million monkeys with a million crayons would be hard-pressed in a million years to create anything as cretinous as Battlefield Earth.\"


        Good article in today's IT

        "The IRFU have dropped their plan to appoint a high performance scrum coach.
        The position, initially advertised worldwide following the defeat to England at Twickenham in March 2012, when the Irish scrum was exposed after Mike Ross got injured, is instead being filled by several indigenous coaches.
        The union will also bring over noted scrum gurus like New Zealander Mike Cron and Argentinean Enrique Rodríguez on a consultancy basis.
        “We decided to take a totally different tack as to how we would do that because bringing in one guy and putting all your eggs in one basket we decided, well, that’s stupid,” said IRFU director of rugby Eddie Wigglesworth.
        “One individual person over Irish scrummaging meant we were importing a culture and we feel we have a very strong scrummaging culture in Ireland going way back.
        “There are three or four scrum coaches out there, like Mike Cron and Rodríguez, but it is far better to have a menu of those guys who Colin [McEntee, IRFU high performance manager] can bring in to do sessions. Rather than one guy trying to do a national programme while driving around the four provinces. That’s not going to make a difference.”
        The union also believe the recent change to engagement laws has levelled the playing field for smaller Irish props, as Leinster’s Cian Healy confirmed this week.

        Sweet spot
        “Yeah, it is possible for looseheads to do more now,” said Healy. “Now you are starting off in the sweet spot so it is a chance to go at them. A big, heavy tighthead was always the one I struggled with so it takes the element of them using their weight out of it. It goes down to a muscle off, using strength and technique.”
        Wigglesworth continued: “The game has gone back to the style of scrummaging in the 1970s, 1980s and early 90s before Australia decided they didn’t have the slap bang effect because they didn’t have technique down there but they had big props. That’s when we went into the aggression and the hit.
        “We have gone full cycle. Up to this it was about getting the body size right. Now with the change in emphasis it is about technique and flexibility.”
        This season every provincial squad, from the seniors down to under-18, have had an individual scrum coach.
        “I sat down with Greg Feek (Leinster), Allen Clarke (Ulster), Dan McFarland (Connacht) and Paul McCarthy (Munster) and we brain-stormed the programme,” McEntee revealed.
        “That led us down the path to education so really good scrum coaches like Marcus Horan are working with all our age grade props.”
        Feek is assisted in Leinster by John Fogarty, Séamus Twomey, Derek Dowling and Philip Horan. In Munster, Conor Twomey and Horan work with Colm McMahon, Peter Malone and McCarthy.
        In Connacht, it’s McFarland, Peter Bracken, Mick Finlay, Ambrose Conboy and Davie Henshaw, while Clarke is joined by Bryan Young in Ulster.

        Massive work
        “There is massive work being done on the ground now,” McEntee added. “We have indentified our under-18, 19 and 20s props so post-interpros they will get weekly coaching as well.
        “It will take time but you can see the benefits already.”
        Wigglesworth, however, did confirm a performance director, responsible for the entire professional game in Ireland, much like Rob Andrew in the English RFU, is still being actively sought."


          Mike Ross speaks.

          The swagger of Irish loosehead props has provided an early spring in this season’s step. Dave Kilcoyne was left out of Joe Schmidt’s 34 man Ireland squad yesterday with Jack McGrath getting a well deserved promotion alongside Cian Healy and Tom Court.
          Kilcoyne, 25 in December, is by no means a spent force but seems to have a more pressing issue fending off the growing presence of James Cronin down Munster way.
          The tighthead conundrum is not so easily solved.
          Before Mike Ross there was John Hayes, for what seemed an eternity, and before the Bull there was Peter Clohessy and before The Claw there was amateurism.
          Ross believes he can shake off a hamstring strain, possibly even for Saturday’s visit of Connacht to the RDS, although that seems an unnecessary risk, and anchor the scrum for what is looking increasingly like the most daunting November Test window in aeons.
          For proof go to YouTube and see how many strides the Wallabies have made since the Lions series. Granted, they conceded 41 points against the unrelenting All Blacks last Saturday. But they scored 33 of their own.
          Munster’s Stephen Archer, while undoubtedly improved, and Ulster’s Declan Fitzgerald, while undoubtedly a decent scrummager albeit injury prone, simply do not inspire confidence for the immediate road ahead.
          And it’s too soon to be beating the Marty Moore drum.

          At least the conversation has started. Some day in the not too distant future John Afoa and eventually BJ Botha will leave this island and be replaced by homegrown or at least assimilated number threes.
          “The problem with tightheads is it generally takes props a bit less time to mature and come through there,” said Ross, sitting in the relaxed environs of the Dylan Hotel yesterday, where he was promoting the computer game Battlefield 4 .
          We are talking about depth of propping options, or the potential for it, not that it will ever be comparable to New Zealand or South Africa or France or Argentina.
          At least a plan is in place, now the IRFU have shelved the search for a scrum overseer, instead employing former players like of Marcus Horan and John Fogarty to give binding tutorials.
          “We got two good young lads in Leinster in Marty Moore and Tadhg Furlong, ” says Ross.
          We’ve seen Moore of late but how’s Furlong, the big Wexford bruiser, coming along since graduating from the underage bracket?
          “He’s plugging away, just been unlucky with injury. He got a kidney laceration playing for Clontarf and that kept him out for three months then appendicitis.
          “They are 21, 22 and Benty (Michael Bent) is 27 so there is a good mix.”
          Ross, surely, will end up mentoring young props and seems to have the patience and intellect to take up a role not seen since Roly Meates was bending young fellas on their ear in his dental waiting room in Dublin 4.
          There is certainly a similar humility in evidence.
          The conversation moves to bajada, which is Spanish for descent or lowering down, and the new scrum engagement process has seen it return to the game.

          Awesome pack
          New Zealand have arguably assembled the most awesome pack of forwards ever but that didn’t stop this Argentinean scrum technique shaking their foundations recently.
          “They gave it to the Aussies and New Zealand at scrum time. The bajada is when they all work through the hooker, so he is like the point of an arrow head. They all sink down and squeeze in.
          “When the hit was there that went out the window because they couldn’t settle and do it but now that the hit is gone it is back for them. Watch them.”
          It gets even tougher for the likes of Mike Ross, the tightheads of this world now.
          “When they took away the hit they took a lot of the tighthead’s armoury away.
          “Often you’d hit the loosehead down and chase through. We can’t do that anymore. We can’t do it.
          “Someone like Cian Healy is an absolute nightmare under the new rules as he is so bloody strong if he is in a good position he is really hard to deal with.
          “Before, my momentum might have been able to knock Cian down but he can come back up from ridiculous positions.
          “Watch him, sometimes in training I’m thinking, ‘I got him now, he’s screwed!’ and he’ll do something ridiculous and get back in there.”


            So is that piece accurate or is Pat Mc gone?

            Too dismissive of Archer imo. He is Massively improved.


              Have you a link to that piece please LW?
              Tis but a scratch.


                Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                Have you a link to that piece please LW?
                Here you go !