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    Saracen's Chairman's Programme Notes

    Eventually got round to reading the programme from Sunday's game today....thought people on here might like to read what Nigel Wray had to say!




    Welcome one and all to certainly what will be the biggest game that Vicarage Road has seen for many a year.Welcome perhaps especially to our visitors from across the Irish Sea, Munster, who probably have a record second to none in the Heineken Cup.

    Those of us present at a very closely fought game last weekend at Thomond Park will have witnessed one of the most passionate rugby grounds in the country. When a large banner unfolds to read "Irish by birth, Munster by the grace of god' (sic) you will begin to realise and comprehend the passion that there was in Limerick. We should have nearly a full house at Watford this afternoon, so we need to show that we've got a bit of passion too!

    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a passionate crowd is the 16th man.Let's illustrate it like this: the ball is a fraction off straight in a lineout at Thomond Park, and of course it's the opposition's throw in, then 26000 people shout 'not straight'. When it's the home side throwing in and the throw is crooked...the silence is so audible you could hear a pin drop! This is bound to have a massive influence on the ref.

    The match itself was hard fought and the passion of the crowd probably swayed it. That's what we need today!

    The debate over the Heineken Cup itself continues and it was interesting to note that most people one spoke to over in Limerick considered their league, the Rabo Direct, as being of little consequence, with automatic qualification for the Heineken guaranteed and with no relegation. Hence, they often get a low 6000 of 7000 crowd! That's a view shared of course by the English and French clubs! In addition, whenever anyone says it's not about the money, what they mean is that it's about the money. So of course the English and the French clubs generating the substantial majority of the revenue want to see a fair reflection of that, whereas the Celtic nations and Italy, who under the current structure have the majority vote, obviously don't. Don't blame them.

    Interesting enough, as I have remarked before, there is a useful parallel elsewhere where South Africa generates the substantial majority of the revenue of the Tri Nations, as it was, and has to play most of it's matches in a completely different time zone, at the worse time, breakfast time, for television revenue. That will of course not be the case if South Africa combined with the Northern hemisphere where we are on exactly the same time zone. There is and essential logic there it will happen, but of course no one knows when.

    Enjoy the game, and let's all get behind the Men in Black and demonstrate that we too can generate that bit of passion for out guys.

    Very Merry Christmas.

    Nigel Wray

    P.S. A capacity crowd here today, PROBABLY DOUBLE OUR AVERAGE CROWD at Vicarage Road, teaches us all another obvious truth. It doesn't matter what we think, it's all about what the customer wants. And he doesn't want a series of 'little' games, he's interested only in 'big' games! And that's true for entertainment across the board. Big entertainment acts, you can't get in. Average ones and there's room galore. And it's not about price. Look at the prices paid for top Premiership games, for the top entertainment acts. it's about big games and big events, that's what the customer wants. Even at a game at a decaying Vicarage Road. Happy Christmas!
    Last edited by Pride in the Jersey; 18th-December-2012, 12:44.
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    #2
    What a perfect piece of prose. Everything that's loathsome about professional sport and the people who run it, right there. Not a word gone to waste.
    Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2019.

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      #3
      He's right about the Rabo12 though!!

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        #4
        Originally posted by rathbaner View Post
        What a perfect piece of prose. Everything that's loathsome about professional sport and the people who run it, right there. Not a word gone to waste.
        Agreed - especially this bit:-

        "Munster, who probably have a record second to none in the Heineken Cup."

        Obviously Wray hasn't heard of Toulouse or Leinster.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Grasshopper View Post
          He's right about the Rabo12 though!!
          How? The Irish provinces are regularly drawing crowds of 10K plus to a league game (in Munster's case its usually around 14-16K), and we just provided him with his biggest attendance of the season. Looks to me he's talking out of both cheeks in that very short piece, that our league is of no consequence because he perceives that we get low attendances, even though we had filled his stadium for him that day, and usually near enough fill our own.
          I am the million man.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

            How? The Irish provinces are regularly drawing crowds of 10K plus to a league game (in Munster's case its usually around 14-16K), and we just provided him with his biggest attendance of the season.
            Apart from the 41K in Wembley for the Leicester game, that is! But then again, who needs facts when we're talking crap?
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              #7
              He couldn't even get the timezone bit right. During the SA rugby season, we're two hours ahead of them.

              Nor does the rearrangement of the S15 into conferences appear to have registered.

              Not very bothered about accuracy, Nigel.
              Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
                Apart from the 41K in Wembley for the Leicester game, that is! But then again, who needs facts when we're talking crap?

                Shall I say biggest attendance in their home stadium? or one of their camping sites?

                anyway, shush! We're annoyed at this man and his CD collection.
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                  #9
                  He is obviously very very poor at maths.

                  He states that 9,000 at Rabo games, which isn't entirely accurate anyway, is poor.

                  Then he goes on to say that Sarries in the Premiership are only attracting half crowds to Vicarage Rd . . . .mmmm . . . .half of 15,000.


                  @Old Dog, I think he is referring to the overall record in the H Cup . . . .which is almost second to none. Less wins indeed, but as a team who have progressed to knockout stages and further since the H Cup began it is a record second to very few. Whether pool opponents go on to win the H Cup is not really an issue . . . .what is an issue for pool opponents is having a team who repeatedly over more than a decade, bar one or two slips have emerged from the pool to progress. That sort of record matters more to Sarries/ Racing and Edinburgh than number of cup wins does.

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                    #10
                    Sounds like he is one of the negotaiting group for H Cup overhaul.
                    Sky could have written the BS piece - the playing standard in the Rabo is every bit as good as the Aviva - except they have the Sky hype every week.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
                      Apart from the 41K in Wembley for the Leicester game, that is! But then again, who needs facts when we're talking crap?
                      How much did the tickets for that game cost, on average OD? And how much do the tickets cost for HC games at TP?

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                        #12
                        It surprises me that he repeats the cardinal error of the English clubs in addressing the HEC, while later stating clearly why it is so wrong headed.

                        The English bid for greater influence is based on the TV money they generate. But, as he says later on, what people want is the big event.

                        Control in the HEC should be driven not just by who has most consumers in their market, but what is driving the product that they wish to consume.
                        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                          #13
                          A question for our Nige -
                          How can he expect passionate cheering from Saracens supporters when his DJ drowns them out at every opportunity? And let's not even talk about the insulting barrage of electronic noise that thried (and failed) to quieten the Fields on Sunday.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                            How much did the tickets for that game cost, on average OD? And how much do the tickets cost for HC games at TP?
                            How should I know? I assume that the answer to your second question can be found on the Munster rugby site.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
                              Agreed - especially this bit:-

                              "Munster, who probably have a record second to none in the Heineken Cup."

                              Obviously Wray hasn't heard of Toulouse or Leinster.
                              Four finals, a fantastic new stadium, I think we are doing ok
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                              When all the people do all day
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