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P14 Semi final) Munster and Leinster. Friday 19.35

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    Why all the box kicks. Why not pass to jj and kick to touch with a bounce. Put pressure on their line out end grind out turnovers. Did we even try that once today.

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      Gutted for ye lads, I really am. It's just not fair that Lions captain and all round nice guy Peter O'Mahony has now lost thirty seven semi-finals in a row.

      Tragically, since Munster last won silverware, my hair has gone completely grey and I am now deaf, doubly incontinent and impotent. The eyesight is pretty phucked too. But I can still see turnip rugby from a mile away - and although not a top-notch coach, I know that handing over possession by kicking the ball to the other team 50 times in 80 minutes is somewhat cretinous. Is there any chance that someone who understands rugby could tell Johann Van Der Spam that - because it's pretty clear that he has the tactical nous of a veggieburger. Am I correct to assume that Stephen Larkham was signed mainly to improve the Munster backs' ability to chase up and unders?

      Not to worry lads, because next season will be different - I can feel it in my bones. Athough perhaps that's just my arthritis.

      Anyway, toodle pip, adios, hasta la banana and warmest regards to my much loved Munsterfan pals.

      PS - great to see that my old mucker, Scotsbore is still posting complete and utter nonsense! Go Scotty!
      Last edited by Old Dog; 4-September-2020, 20:58.
      New infraction avoidance policy: a post may be described as imbecilic, but its author should never be described as an imbecile.

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        Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
        Gutted for ye lads, I really am. It's just not fair that Lions captain and all round nice guy Peter O'Mahony has now lost thirty seven semi-finals in a row.

        Tragically, since Munster last won silverware, my hair has gone completely grey and I am now deaf, doubly incontinent and impotent. The eyesight is pretty phucked too. But I can still see turnip rugby from a mile away - and although not a top-notch coach, I know that handing over possession by kicking the ball to the other team 50 times in 80 minutes is somewhat cretinous. Is there any chance that someone who understands rugby could tell Johann Van Der Spam that - because it's pretty clear that he has the tactical nous of a veggieburger. Am I correct to assume that Stephen Larkham was signed mainly to improve the Munster backs' ability to chase up and unders?

        Not to worry lads, because next season will be different - I can feel it in my bones. Athough perhaps that's just my arthritis.

        Anyway, toodle pip, adios, hasta la banana and warmest regards to my much loved Munsterfan pals.
        You can still twist a knife. You are grand.

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          Ugly game tbh. Lots of unforced mistakes and bad decisions on both sides. Looked to me like we were doing just enough to win and not going full throttle, sorry if that sounds disrespectful but that's what it looked like.

          Munster confidence seemed brittle, they came out strong but very quickly seemed to go into their shells once we scored
          The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
          - Salvador Dali (1904-1989)

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            Originally posted by scotscor View Post

            think thats ott, not a huge fan of jvg. But I liked the way that we finished with a stronger team. I though with 25 mins to go we had a great chance as we were finishing with a stronger team and they were finishing with a weaker one.

            JJ missing pens didnt help though. Leinster weren't great, not sure is that because Munster made them look not great.

            tbf Munster werent great and Leinster definitely helped there (though possibly not as much as Munster)
            I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. JvG was never a good appointment. I know Snyman is a fan but ask any SA supporter their opinion of him and they will tell you he got where he is because of who he knows. He's not rated. I truly believe Rassie used us to get him out of the system. We have persisted with him (and we needed stability tbf) and it has cost us dearly. Some of our best ever players are on a downward curve and chances are they won't lift another trophy with Munster. Look at our team sheet tonight and look at what we offered. It was embarrassing.

            Hanrahan needs to go. He's 27 but he isn't going to kick on. Racing and that drop goal and the penalties tonight. He's far too inconsistent.

            ​​​​​​I don't think Murray offers enough. With our backline we need quick ball and he doesn't give it. A wonderful player but box kicking won't win us the league let alone Europe.

            Front row selection was dire. Said it before the match that the selection of Scannell and Archer would cost us. Not great at set piece, far too many penalties and ineffective carriers. We had a far better front row sitting on the bench for the majority of that match.

            We need to say enough is enough. I've been hearing "one more season" for the best part of a decade.

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              Originally posted by Piquet View Post
              Just looking at the try that Leinster were awarded. From the angle he was standing, Sir could not possibly have seen the grounding. His first signal was a "T".

              The on- field decision was, therefore, "I don't know" so how can the TMO say that he can't go against the "on-field decision.
              If I remember he also consulted the touchjudge, but he must have been in a worse position. It seemed a clear body movement forwards before the first stretch out - but you make your luck teams that win consistently get those breaks. Poor decision but we deserved what we got-

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                It was like watching the Christmas fixture all over again except with less wind and stronger teams. The result was inevitable. We reverted to type, silly handling errors and kicking the ball away constantly. I wouldn't mind if it was good kicking but the majority of it was poor. We showed no guile or nous when we got into their 22. We've got Farrell and De Allende, they may as well have been at home for the second half, we never brought them into the game.

                I've said it previously, this team badly needs an injection of youth, guys with no baggage or fear of the known. We're not going to beat sides like Leinster, Saracens or Racing without big men, last week was the perfect chance to give Thomas Ahearn a run out and get him introduced to a high level game, instead we leave him out not even on the bench. Hodnett, Ahearn, O' Sullivan and Coombes badly need to be given a chance. Likewise Ben Healy or Crowley, a bould bastard who doesn't give a **** who he's facing. I'm sorry but JJ needed to be counted when the game was there to grabbed, he missed 2 very kickable ones and his touch kicking was poor too. We need to show absolute intensity when we get into the opposition 22 like Leinster do, we just go through the motions and look as if we're not sure about the best way over the line. We box kick in the opposition half and hope something comes off it....

                Van Graan needs to be called out on our kicking strategy, we never change our approach and play heads up as the game dictates, it's just blind adherence to the same thing over and over.

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                  Originally posted by reded View Post
                  well played Leinster.


                  “Leinster played, well done!”
                  sorted that for yeah

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                    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

                    There are a lot lot more of them. They can pick more than one side - we havent finished the last two games against them with players in their correct positions.
                    Now this I agree with.
                    I think we need to question every player in our squad who is a specialist in their position who doesn’t get selected for these games. Academy players excepted obviously.

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                      Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

                      There are a lot lot more of them. They can pick more than one side - we havent finished the last two games against them with players in their correct positions.
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                      Last edited by Oldschoolsocks; 4-September-2020, 21:08.
                      Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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                        Nothing interview from van grann .

                        when you look at a backline of
                        Munster: Shane Daly; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray.


                        Don't tell me we don't have the talent outside 9 to play the ball out ,seems like blind allegiance to box kick and if that doesent work box kick again .
                        I give up ( until next year) over and out .

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                          I just do not know......I am really at a loss.
                          Sooner or later we are going to end up having to play Casey, or McCarthy and one of the young 10s, yet we cannot affford to slide further back into the European pack of meh teams.
                          Either JVG ignores Larkham or Larkham believes in the CM Box Kick Extravaganza. Surprised if Beirne renews unless he still aspires to Ireland jersey.
                          What has happened to Niall Scannell, who looked a likely Ireland 2 for years to come? Have years of injuries taken their final toll on TOD? Injuries apart, why has James Cronin not kicked on? Where is Liam O'Connor? Questions, questions.....
                          As a Kerryman, I have no dog in this fight, but what has happened to Limerick rugby? Young Casey aside, and maybe Goggin, the only Limerick produced players anywhere near match day 21 are the ageing Murray and Earls. No tight 5 players, no back row. What happened?
                          Maybe JVG to DoR role and Rowntree/Larkham joint head coaches a la Racing 92 with Labit and Travers?
                          Groundhog Day - again (yes, I see the irony).
                          Jake Flannery, Ben Healy, and co would have played for Leinster 20 times by now or been shipped out.

                          Never mind Joey, oh for Frawley
                          Last edited by isola ciarrai; 4-September-2020, 21:04.

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                            Originally posted by Cozman06 View Post
                            Tough to watch. Always felt Leinster were in control and had another gear if needed. Game plan is probably the most disappointing aspect. It reminded me of the semi final vs Saracens where we kicked the ball away all day. Bizarre tactic to a team as good as Leinster.

                            A few selection issues need to be cleared up before the new season. The front 5 tonight are not good enough. If Beirne wants to play 2nd row then he is going to have to start doing some of the grunt work. I really feel for JOD. He never has been or never will be a 7. You can change between 6 and 8 but playing 7 is a totally different game. At 26, he should be coming into his prime. He is in danger of becoming an average squad player. I know everyone would want to play no matter where but he needs to decide 6 or 8 and compete for that spot. Murray's form is still a major worry. Not sure what the answer to that is.

                            Positives - Daly looks good at FB. De Allende and Farrell could be a really good partnership if we stop kicking it away.
                            They are a couple of massive and powerful centres, but perhaps a tad one-dimensional and lacking a cutting edge in attack. They did not trouble their opposite numbers, Henshaw and Ringrose, with ball in hand. Munster could still do with a play-making midfielder and must stop kicking the ball away.

                            Erse end of nowhere

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                              Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

                              Well said, an efficient performance.
                              Hardly efficient but better than our performance by some margin.

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                                Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post

                                In fairness Max Deegan played wing for 20 minutes 2 weeks ago
                                The arrival of VanDerFlier was the kernel of corn in my vomit tbh. Will Connors would start for most any club in europe and here comes Handsome Josh. All the while Dan Leavy sits in the stand.

                                We've been playing jack o donoghue at seven or Cloete.
                                I am the million man.

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