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    #61
    Originally posted by busby View Post

    Exactly. A world of difference to the piss take selection against Edinburgh.

    We have the opportunity now to field balanced sides for the rest of the Pro 14 campaign. A lot of guys are clearly up to it, and should be given proper gamtime alongside our senior players. Take an opportunity to put JOS out alongside CJ and Pete, with Coombes in front alongide JK, and Knox alongside Scannell and Killer. Start Healy with Murray, Casey in between Scannell and JJ/Tyler. Field strong sides buffered with some key young players that we've earmarked to be the core of the side in five years time. Look at the impact playing in a strong side in a proper interpro derby had on Fineen. That's how you effectively blood players.
    Yes Busby I agree completely you have got to strike a balance when playing the young players.We had too many in against Edinburgh with other fringe players which cost us the match unfortunately.

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      #62
      Originally posted by busby View Post

      Exactly. A world of difference to the piss take selection against Edinburgh.

      We have the opportunity now to field balanced sides for the rest of the Pro 14 campaign. A lot of guys are clearly up to it, and should be given proper gamtime alongside our senior players. Take an opportunity to put JOS out alongside CJ and Pete, with Coombes in front alongide JK, and Knox alongside Scannell and Killer. Start Healy with Murray, Casey in between Scannell and JJ/Tyler. Field strong sides buffered with some key young players that we've earmarked to be the core of the side in five years time. Look at the impact playing in a strong side in a proper interpro derby had on Fineen. That's how you effectively blood players.
      The problem with the Edinburgh selection is that they selected their strongest side, when pre Europe and their derbies over new year, I suspect JVG etc expected them to select a less experienced side. I’m still not convinced that was foreseeable or a mistake.

      The balanced selection you are advocating is exactly what most of us are calling for, not the straw man of piling as many promising players as we have into the same side. We have the weeks coming up to be able to mix and match so that we have 3/4 emerging players in each game, alongside senior players, without risking dropping points. I hope we begin to see this at the weekend.

      A full strength angry side thrashing ospreys will nor answer the real question this squad and management faces, can you close the gap to the top sides?

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        #63
        If we have a chance of scraping through as 8th seed we name our strongest side for Sunday. Anything else would be ridiculous. If by some miracle we do scrape through as 8th seed and we are drawn against Leinster we'll head for the D4tress and get stuck right the **** in.

        If things don't go our way on Sunday then we can look forward to a decent league run through the international window without Ireland injuring too many of our players.
        "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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          #64
          Originally posted by busby View Post

          Exactly. A world of difference to the piss take selection against Edinburgh.

          We have the opportunity now to field balanced sides for the rest of the Pro 14 campaign. A lot of guys are clearly up to it, and should be given proper gamtime alongside our senior players. Take an opportunity to put JOS out alongside CJ and Pete, with Coombes in front alongide JK, and Knox alongside Scannell and Killer. Start Healy with Murray, Casey in between Scannell and JJ/Tyler. Field strong sides buffered with some key young players that we've earmarked to be the core of the side in five years time. Look at the impact playing in a strong side in a proper interpro derby had on Fineen. That's how you effectively blood players.
          Fair comment - I do think the 6 nations will drive this anyway now the upcoming games, but yes, a sensible approach.

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            #65
            We need JvG to stay and give continuity and cohesion for the next few years, We can't change coach every two years and expect progress. That's just the way it is. We were always on a hiding to nothing with 12 players away at the RWC, Joey crocked, and Felix and Fla quitting the show.
            Even if that hadn't been the case, getting past Sarries AND Racing (FFS!) to get out of the group would have been improbable.

            As it happens we were a blown drop goal and a bad penalty decision at Sarries from having qualification wrapped up with a game to go.

            That my friends is how close we were.

            EDIT: Wrapped up is probably putting it a tad strong but we'd be in second place on 14pts with Ospreys in Thomond Park to come and we'd have won the head to head with Sarries.

            I'm sure there are management errors in selection, tactics and so on and we lack a 'Munster voice' but all in good time. We're making progress despite the run of tricky games, we just had,
            Last edited by rathbaner; 16th-January-2020, 12:33.
            Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.

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              #66
              All this talk of bonus points wins or ‘throw out the young lads’ against Ospreys is both arrogant and disrespectful to our opponents. Has it occurred to anyone that Os might well want to put in a performance to show their own people they’re not as bad as it seems. Respect them by sending out as good a team as possible and putting in the performance required to win; bonus points will take care of themselves if we’re winning.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Jenta View Post
                If we have a chance of scraping through as 8th seed we name our strongest side for Sunday. Anything else would be ridiculous. If by some miracle we do scrape through as 8th seed and we are drawn against Leinster we'll head for the D4tress and get stuck right the **** in.

                If things don't go our way on Sunday then we can look forward to a decent league run through the international window without Ireland injuring too many of our players.
                Well said.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by rathbaner View Post
                  We need JvG to stay and give continuity and cohesion for the next few years, We can't change coach every two years and expect progress. That's just the way it is. We were always on a hiding to nothing with 12 players away at the RWC, Joey crocked, and Felix and Fla quitting the show.
                  Even if that hadn't been the case, getting past Sarries AND Racing (FFS!) to get out of the group would have been improbable.

                  As it happens we were a blown drop goal and a bad penalty decision at Sarries from having qualification wrapped up with a game to go.

                  That my friends is how close we were.

                  EDIT: Wrapped up is probably putting it a tad strong but we'd be in second place on 14pts with Ospreys in Thomond Park to come and we'd have won the head to head with Sarries.

                  I'm sure there are management errors in selection, tactics and so on and we lack a 'Munster voice' but all in good time. We're making progress despite the run of tricky games, we just had,
                  100% agree with this. They’re trying to build, so let’s keep perspective and give them a chance to build.

                  Toughest group by some distance this year, coming up against two top sides who normally send us home in the knock out stages. Think we would have qualified from most others but it’s largely irrelevant. We’re not a top side again yet, we’re a level below.

                  Most encouraging thing for me is JVG’s approach to recruitment. He’s brought in or bringing in some genuinely top notch coaches and players. Snyman and De Allende are massive statements of intent and can make a big difference.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                    All this talk of bonus points wins or ‘throw out the young lads’ against Ospreys is both arrogant and disrespectful to our opponents. Has it occurred to anyone that Os might well want to put in a performance to show their own people they’re not as bad as it seems. Respect them by sending out as good a team as possible and putting in the performance required to win; bonus points will take care of themselves if we’re winning.
                    Very valid points, goes to show as you say head coach cant win no matter what he does as everyone has their own view.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                      All this talk of bonus points wins or ‘throw out the young lads’ against Ospreys is both arrogant and disrespectful to our opponents. Has it occurred to anyone that Os might well want to put in a performance to show their own people they’re not as bad as it seems. Respect them by sending out as good a team as possible and putting in the performance required to win; bonus points will take care of themselves if we’re winning.
                      Ospreys players don't give a sh#t about playing for their club as their results have shown. They are a disgrace this season considering their international contingent.
                      When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by B.A. View Post

                        Ospreys players don't give a sh#t about playing for their club as their results have shown. They are a disgrace this season considering their international contingent.
                        According to Paul Rees in the Guardian who is increasingly sounding insane in relation to Sarries, AWJ was majestic last weekend

                        Ospreys were fortified by the return of Alun Wyn Jones: the Wales captain was making his first appearance since the World Cup and not only looked as if he were match-hardened but had had a blood infusion to make him 10 years younger, roaming the field to telling effect and showing off a technique of climbing into a challenge and then offloading one-handed.
                        https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-the-breakdown


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                          #72
                          Originally posted by RichardP View Post
                          All this talk of bonus points wins or ‘throw out the young lads’ against Ospreys is both arrogant and disrespectful to our opponents. Has it occurred to anyone that Os might well want to put in a performance to show their own people they’re not as bad as it seems. Respect them by sending out as good a team as possible and putting in the performance required to win; bonus points will take care of themselves if we’re winning.
                          Have they not being trying to do this all season? They're not purposely bottom of conference A (behind Zebre and Dragons), with one win and a points difference of -155. I know their full-strength team is a different proposition to their pro14 team, but even last week against a second string Saracens team (with 13 players for a lot of the match) at home, they lost comfortably. Playing a full-strength team, as others have said, would be a waste of everybody's time and a missed opportunity to give one or two players a european debut.

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                            #73
                            I'm really looking forward to Sunday. It's a European match, the team could do with our support, there's a need to finish our campaign professionally (and hopefully in style) and hopefully it will set up the squad for the important Pro14 matches to follow.
                            "I don't believe in fairytales," O'Connell once told me, "even though it feels like I've been lucky enough to live through a few. However it ends, I'll feel lucky."
                            Donald McRae, Guardian Rugby, October 2015

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                              #74
                              Ospreys starting XV to face Munster in the Heineken Champions Cup at Thomond Park, on Sunday 19th January.


                              15. Dan Evans
                              14. Hanno Dirksen
                              13. George North
                              12. Scott Williams
                              11. Luke Morgan
                              10. Luke Price
                              9. Shaun Venter

                              1.Nicky Smith
                              2. Scott Otten
                              3. Ma'afu Fia
                              4. Bradley Davies
                              5. Alun Wyn Jones
                              6. Dan Lydiate
                              7. Justin Tipuric
                              8. Dan Baker

                              Replacements
                              16. Sam Parry
                              17. Darryl Marfo
                              18. Gheorghe Gajion
                              19. Lloyd Ashley
                              20. Olly Cracknell
                              21. Sam Cross
                              22. Reuben Morgan-Williams
                              23. Cai Evans

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                                #75
                                MUNSTER RUGBY
                                • 15. Mike Haley,
                                • 14. Andrew Conway,
                                • 13. Chris Farrell,
                                • 12. Rory Scannell,
                                • 11. Calvin Nash,
                                • 10. JJ Hanrahan,
                                • 9. Conor Murray,
                                • 1. Dave Kilcoyne,
                                • 2. Niall Scannell,
                                • 3. Stephen Archer,
                                • 4. Fineen Wycherley,
                                • 5. Billy Holland,
                                • 6. Peter O'Mahony (c),
                                • 7. Jack O'Donoghue,
                                • 8. CJ Stander.

                                Replacements:
                                • 16. Kevin O'Byrne,
                                • 17. Jeremy Loughman,
                                • 18. John Ryan,
                                • 19. Arno Botha,
                                • 20. Jack O'Sullivan,
                                • 21. Craig Casey,
                                • 22. Ben Healy,
                                • 23. Dan Goggin,

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