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    #61
    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
    Big, big buachaill.
    Wouldnt have looked out of place on the '74 Lions.
    Gwan Joe!!

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      #62
      Originally posted by busby View Post
      This is a fantastic signing. I'd nearly be more excited by Snyman coming given the lack of depth in that area, and the flex we have with Beirne and Fineen.

      I get the uneasiness at how this will impact our younger IQ centres, and you'd question the future of a guy like Arnold. But let's be blunt - we have been consistently found out at the later end of competitions the last few years because we haven't had enough players with the power and directness to get us going forward. Even with how we're expanding our game plan, its very hard to see us making a step up without a couple of players like this. Much is made of Leinster's conveyor belt, but they would have struggled without Nacewa, Fardy and especially Lowe (granted he's a project). Our new crop of players should be mean we don't need to using so many Leinster products to fill the squad, but we'll always need a couple of top drawer imports if we want to win things.

      It's also an important statement of intent. We hardly changed the squad last year, and some senior players are entering the winter of their careers.
      That's true but you can't compare the number and quality of foreign signings by Munster to Leinster in the last 3-5 years.

      As with CJ, Cloete, Botha etc., De Allende and Snynam are great signings (probably even better than the first three) but you would wonder about the sustainability of it especially with Munster's financial trouble, stadium debt, IRFU bailout etc. It would be much cheaper in the long run (and better for Ireland and the Munster team identity) to invest in more in the academy.

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        #63
        1.Kilcoyne 2.N.Scannell 3.Jo.Ryan

        4.Snyman 5.Beirne

        6.POM 8.Stander 7.Cloete

        9.Murray 10.Carbery 12.De Allende 13.C.Farrell 14.Earls

        11.Conway 15.Haley

        16.R.Marshall 17.Loughman 18.Knox 19.Kleyn 20.A.Botha 21.N.McCarthy 22.Bleyendaal 23.Wooton


        The above is a realistic starting XXIII 2020-21, give or take a couple of tight calls.

        Munster-raised in starting XV: 6/15. Munster-raised in XXIII: 6/23

        Ireland-raised in starting XV: 10/15 (3 Leinster, 1 Ulster). Ireland-raised in XXIII: 12/23 (5 Leinster, 1 Ulster)

        Ireland-qualified in starting XV (inc. Cloete): 13/15. Ireland-qualified in XXIII (inc. Cloete): 19/23


        Having foreign players and Irish-qualified players born/raised abroad or in other provinces is fine, even healthy. But there is a problem when they're 9/15 of the starting team (60%) and potentially 17/23 in the matchday squad (c.75%)...And this doesn't even include the likes of Ciaran Parker, Conor Oliver, Sammy Arnold in the extended squad, or Eoghan Clarke in the academy.

        At what point does it become more like a club side and just 'not really Munster'?..
        Last edited by neliog93; 4th-November-2019, 22:24.

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          #64
          Well I for one, and I won’t be the only one, will be frigging delighted if this is true. What a signing


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            #65
            Originally posted by Valencia View Post
            Well I for one, and I won’t be the only one, will be frigging delighted if this is true. What a signing


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            Couldn’t agree more. Brilliant signings if true, giving us a huge chance of competing and winning at the highest level.
            "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

            Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

            Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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              #66
              A bit of negativity on here which is strange when these are exactly the calibre of player we need to sign. We have a heap of youngsters coming through, some will make it, some won't at the highest level. Every Munster supporter should be over the moon about signing two WC winners in their prime. Every leinster supporter will moan about blocking young Irish talent yet in both positions with them they have fardy on his pension plan and tomane stealing a living

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                #67
                Originally posted by Paulie's pal View Post
                A bit of negativity on here which is strange when these are exactly the calibre of player we need to sign. We have a heap of youngsters coming through, some will make it, some won't at the highest level. Every Munster supporter should be over the moon about signing two WC winners in their prime. Every leinster supporter will moan about blocking young Irish talent yet in both positions with them they have fardy on his pension plan and tomane stealing a living
                Munster have more foreign players than Leinster, and significantly more non-Munster raised players than Leinster have non-Leinster raised. You can't really make the above comparison without being a bit one-eyed or disingenuous.

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                  #68
                  But that's the point, if you are going to spend money on a foreign player, bring in the best you can get. What is the point of leinster paying good money for the ultimate journeyman in tomane? It's all very well doing up your %'s of teams and saying they weren't born in tipp or Clare when you're wasting money on a squad filler who looks poor in the pro14 v zebre. Especially for a province who take so much pride in the players the wealthy schools develope

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by neliog93 View Post

                    Munster have more foreign players than Leinster, and significantly more non-Munster raised players than Leinster have non-Leinster raised. You can't really make the above comparison without being a bit one-eyed or disingenuous.
                    Leinster has a bigger population (~2.5 M) versus Munster (~1.28 M), plus Leinster has more rugby players than Munster. Not a surprise that many Leinster born players will move to other provinces to ply their trade.
                    "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                    Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                    Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                      #70
                      If you’re not jumping up and down and the prospects of these signings I really wonder. These signings will in no way impact any of the players current or upcoming who are or will be good enough. Simple as that. At the end of the day, if you’re good enough, you’ll play. Signing these guys won’t impact the players that are top level (or have the potential to be top level) and at the end of the day that’s sport. All the huffing and puffing that I’m seeing from some people is insane.

                      If Leinster (or any other team) were offered Damian de Allende in the morning they’d bite your hand off for him, simple as that. He’s a quality player that would instantly have a positive impact on the team.

                      I really hope the rumours are true. What a boost it would be. The undercover Munster coaches are doing a fine job. Keep it up lads.
                      The Maul is Back!! LONG LIVE THE MAUL!!

                      Stringer is bigger even than his own immense shadow. Pound for pound, he is the best tackler in the world. If you put him into bag of cats he\'d come out without a scratch. He was hit very late for Murphy\'s try. And when he got up, as we knew he would, the crowd cried his name as if he had just fixed the economy.Billy Keane-After Munster\'s famous loss to the AB\'s.

                      The Bull-Truly irreplaceable, a mountain of a man. 100 caps!!

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                        #71
                        Why are people giving a **** what leinster do?

                        Munster have supposedly brought in not one, but TWO world cup winners, any side on the planet would be thrilled.

                        You'd think competition for places stunts improvement? Bringing in people to get Munster over the line they've walked up to so many times and failed to cross

                        If the lads in charge have pulled this off it's barely believable, genuinely dream stuff. We need a skull crusher in the tight five and we need a bull at 12 to carry **** ball and give Joey room to pull the strings. Johann and co have highlighted our weaknesses and gone after them.

                        Colour me whelmed, couldn't give a ****e how many altar boys leinster have in their setup. Let them do it their way and Munster, our way.

                        This could be seismic
                        I am the million man.

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                          #72
                          Munster play a max of 30 games a season. De Allende will be available for about 25 of those, assuming he plays the November internationals. He will be on big money, so will play most games if he is available. Chris Farrell will probably be in a few Ireland squads, so there will be a few more opportunities at 13. Munster will have Goggin, Scannell, Arnold and French looking for game time, with about 16 games a season available to them. Injuries would bring that number up, but 3 of those 4 aren't going to play very much.

                          The second row scenario is disappointing for a province that produced O'Connell, Ryan, O'Callaghan and O'Driscoll in the last decade. Dave Foley is the only one newly capped this decade. However, it seems that this decline is no-one's responsibility and is just bad luck. Player development is a sort of random roulette process and no-one is to be blamed when it doesn't work out.

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                            #73
                            In the current market, up against the English, french & Japanese teams, if we sign these two lads it's a massive show of intent. We've youngsters coming through like we haven't had for ages & to get players of this calibre is akin to the glory days. Dda had a shout of being player of the WC & snyman is the kind of physical beast that could boss teams. Inside centre is a tricky position to fill for any team & for us to get probably the premier one in the world is unreal

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                              #74
                              Ahmm henryfitz, have you not noticed fineen wycherley recently?

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by lawrence View Post
                                It’s hard to see the players in SA earning major money, there are a wealth of players and stadiums are never full.

                                There was probably interest from France but our connections appear to have been key here. Nice bit of business, he is easily one of the better Boks players in that team.
                                That and they know that they won't be flogged to death playing for Munster. If some French sugar daddy had signed them, they'd be expected to play week in, week out, in a 28 game top14 season plus HC unless they were too injured to walk onto the pitch. These guys know it is a short career and if being at teams who believe in rotating players can get you another season or two of a six figure salary, it makes a ton of sense.

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