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  • Piquet
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    Unlike Bishop Brennan, I'm not required to refer to it by it's proper name.

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  • Miguel Sanchez
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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    IIP my bolleaux.
    That's it's official name like it or not.

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  • The Last Stand
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    Iip rip svp
    Last edited by The Last Stand; 16th-July-2019, 14:29.

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  • Piquet
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    IIP my bolleaux.

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  • Miguel Sanchez
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    I.I.P. please.

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  • Piquet
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    Originally posted by rathbaner View Post
    The orignial article is here and it says:
    • Includes quarter-finals and semi-finals – the final is not included as it is held at a neutral venue. Due to the Conference A & B structure of 21 rounds in the Pro14, some teams were allotted 10 league home games during the league stage, while others received 11. Cardiff Blues and Dragons each gave up a home game in the final round of fixtures for Judgement Day, leaving them with nine home games. These figures do not include the final (at a neutral venue) or the European Champions Cup play-off game.
    Yes, Munster had ten home, regular season, games six in Thomond and four in Musser. Add in the Quarter Final game and that makes seven in TP and four in MP.

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  • rathbaner
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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    That 75% is wrong.

    If you take the 26,267 as the capacity of TP and 8008 as the capacity of MP, then the maximum attendance is 26, 267 times 7 plus 8,008 times 4, or 215,908. The given attendance, 142,267 is 66% of that.
    The orignial article is here and it says:
    • Includes quarter-finals and semi-finals – the final is not included as it is held at a neutral venue. Due to the Conference A & B structure of 21 rounds in the Pro14, some teams were allotted 10 league home games during the league stage, while others received 11. Cardiff Blues and Dragons each gave up a home game in the final round of fixtures for Judgement Day, leaving them with nine home games. These figures do not include the final (at a neutral venue) or the European Champions Cup play-off game.

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  • hayeser
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    Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
    10,000 doesn't look very full in a 26k stadium, lots of empty space. I was at the Ulster & Cheetahs games too and would guess there was ~10k at each
    Not even remotely close for the Cheetahs game 5/6k there and Ulster 7/8k. The evidence was there on front of you if you attended those games and QF.

    Significantly bigger crowd for the quarter final against Benetton and the attendance just broke 10k. What was the difference? The Benetton QF didn't include season tickets. That is what a real 10k in the ground looks like.

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  • whimpersnap
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    Originally posted by hayeser View Post

    GAA league crowds have gone through the roof in recent years. Go back 20 years and they were lucky to draw a couple of thousand. Now days the Dubs average over 20k, Mayo over 10k. Kerry also averaged over 10k this year. Bearing in mind there is little away support that's massive for a county of less than 150k.
    Look, that's impressive but those are the top teams and barring Dublin there's no competition. Dublin is inflated by the Croke Park games and they can all charge low prices because the expenses are small.

    I do take your point that my "what about the league" point is contradicted by the numbers though.

    Just to expand on this, and I realise I'm shifting the goalposts here, the GAA have invented a format where they have two intercounty competitions with a short span where every game means something. The Pro14 doesn't have that because it's a long-format league where individual games don't have the same importance. I hope that makes sense, it's late.
    Last edited by whimpersnap; 13th-July-2019, 04:23.

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  • Piquet
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    That 75% is wrong.

    If you take the 26,267 as the capacity of TP and 8008 as the capacity of MP, then the maximum attendance is 26, 267 times 7 plus 8,008 times 4, or 215,908. The given attendance, 142,267 is 66% of that.

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  • rathbaner
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    • 2018/2019 attendances.
    Ireland Leinster 12 206,905 17,242 50,120 10,057 78%
    Ireland Ulster 11 152,182 13,835 17,358 11,882 76%
    Ireland Munster 11 142,094 12,918 26,267 8,008 75%
    Wales Scarlets 11 92,877 8,443 12,012 7,180 57%
    Scotland Glasgow Warriors 12 92,802 7,734 10,000 7,135 99%
    Wales Cardiff Blues[f] 9 66,237 7,360 12,000 5,312 61%
    Scotland Edinburgh 10 68,321 6,832 21,190 4,258 10%
    Wales Ospreys 11 74,936 6,812 13,251 4,264 36%
    Ireland Connacht 11 66,142 6,013 8,129 4,056 74%
    Wales Dragons[g] 9 46,111 5,123 7,376 4,012 59%
    South Africa Cheetahs 11 49,979 4,544 6,500 2,846 9%
    Italy Benetton 10 33,802 3,380 5,000 2,200 50%
    Italy Zebre 11 33,450 3,041 4,600 1,700 60%
    South Africa Southern Kings 10 28,175 2,818 5,096 1,142 14%

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  • Waterfordlad
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    10,000 doesn't look very full in a 26k stadium, lots of empty space. I was at the Ulster & Cheetahs games too and would guess there was ~10k at each

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  • Wallyman
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    Originally posted by wellboy View Post

    All i know is i was at games during the season and the place was practically empty with official attendances around 10k. When the quarters attendance was announced with the same numbers i know something was up. There definitely felt like a huge increase in numbers at that game compared to say the Ulster match.
    The smallest official attendance outside the Treviso game was 12,265 for Cheetahs. Ulster was 13,907. Are you really saying that 8,000 ticket holders didn't turn up for the Ulster game? The crowd was poor, but not that poor. I was also at all the games and have spoken to others who were there as well, and nobody agrees that the crowds were that small.

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  • wellboy
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    Originally posted by Wallyman View Post

    Well I have to disagree. Yes some of the crowds have been small, but not 5-6K small. That would mean that 7-8k weren't turning up for each match. In a season where the number of 5/10 year tickets had reduced from 5K to around 2.5K. That just didn't happen.
    All i know is i was at games during the season and the place was practically empty with official attendances around 10k. When the quarters attendance was announced with the same numbers i know something was up. There definitely felt like a huge increase in numbers at that game compared to say the Ulster match.

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  • Wallyman
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    Originally posted by wellboy View Post

    In fairness Wallyman I was at the quarter in Thomond and a few of the home games in the league and there was a sizeable increase in crowds for that game compared to the league, i wouldnt say 5-6k was too wide of the mark. Some of the players have even mentioned (privately) that a full and buzzy musgraves is a nicer place to play in the league.

    The problem with Thomond is that it has always relied on the whole of munster to fill it, its always been a bit of a fable that limerick fans were the drive behind the ground/atmosphere. For whatever reason people from the rest of the province dont travel to limerick for league games (whether its kickoff times which are crap, or financial issues or lack of interest due to it being on tv also) and the limerick population have deserted the place too. Cork manages well for the league due to the population being much bigger, i would vouch if you put some bigger games there and they had the capacity you could hit 15k easy attendance wise.
    Well I have to disagree. Yes some of the crowds have been small, but not 5-6K small. That would mean that 7-8k weren't turning up for each match. In a season where the number of 5/10 year tickets had reduced from 5K to around 2.5K. That just didn't happen.

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