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    Originally posted by neill_m View Post

    I believe the Lansdowne Road inter pros in August will be Connacht v Ulster and Leinster v Munster on Aug 22/23 with Ulster v Leinster and Munster v Connacht on Aug 29/30. Open to correction naturally.

    The back to back derbies naturally applying to the Scots, South Africans and the Italians.
    Would make sense as these are the interpro fixtures that were left to play. Now if Glasgow could do us a favour and beat Embra twice it would be handy enough
    Good things happen to those who wait, though mostly much too late.

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      Originally posted by ephileth View Post

      Would make sense as these are the interpro fixtures that were left to play. Now if Glasgow could do us a favour and beat Embra twice it would be handy enough
      I'll be supporting Glasgow BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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        Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

        So, to qualify for the knockouts we have to play leinster twice? then perhaps play them again in the semi final or final?

        Super. Thats great.
        My understanding of what I’ve read is that semis will be 1v2 across the two conferences, with no preliminary 2v 3 “quarters”. So yes, to win it we play Leinster twice, beating whoever, if we’ve knocked Leinster out in the semi, in the final.

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          Rumours that next seasons Super Rugby may only be a Trans Tasmin competition, meaning that the 4 SA franchises would join the Pro16 with the Cheetahs and Kings disbanded.

          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport...ew-emerge.html

          https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...s-now-18548322

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            Originally posted by Wallyman View Post
            Rumours that next seasons Super Rugby may only be a Trans Tasmin competition, meaning that the 4 SA franchises would join the Pro16 with the Cheetahs and Kings disbanded.

            https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport...ew-emerge.html

            https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...s-now-18548322
            Read on another forum that the SARU have said no changes for the upcoming seasons 20/21 Pro 14 and 21 Super Rugby re the South African sides. After that something may happen.

            No problems ditching the Kings, but would be very harsh on the Cheetahs. A side question would be what happens to the Jaguares going forward, could they come North?

            In terms of the 4 South African sides, based on performances since 2016, the Sharks would be a strong addition, reaching QF last 4 years. The Bulls had one QF in 2019, but otherwise not great. The Lions reached 3 finals in a row 16-18, but failed to make QF in 2019. Stormers reached 2 QF in 16-17, but since then also not great.

            The league needs to be careful in it's next move. If it becomes too big, the format can become very complicated. Super Rugby got too big and made changes.

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              16 would work. 4 x Irish, 4 x Welsh, 4 x SA all play each other in home and away derby matches. The Scots and Italians make up a 4th group who play each other home and away. That gives you 6 games. You then play each of the other 12 teams home or away giving you 18 regular season games. It works better than the current 14 IMO, but 16 is the max.

              The other option is the old French Top 16 way of 2 groups of 8 playing each other home and away and the top teams going in each group entering the knockouts. But the former is more likely given it's similar to how it works now, but the latter is fairer from a sporting point of view.

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                Originally posted by Wallyman View Post
                16 would work. 4 x Irish, 4 x Welsh, 4 x SA all play each other in home and away derby matches. The Scots and Italians make up a 4th group who play each other home and away. That gives you 6 games. You then play each of the other 12 teams home or away giving you 18 regular season games. It works better than the current 14 IMO, but 16 is the max.

                The other option is the old French Top 16 way of 2 groups of 8 playing each other home and away and the top teams going in each group entering the knockouts. But the former is more likely given it's similar to how it works now, but the latter is fairer from a sporting point of view.
                Agreed a 16 team model as you have outlined could work well and that they should not go beyond 16. 2 conferences of 8 teams or a single league of 16 to decide playoffs and Heineken spots? You would have to make the South African sides eligible for Heineken Cup.

                As I outlined above, some of the current South African sides have not pulled up trees in Super Rugby, would all 4 be of a higher standard than that of the Cheetahs?

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                  Originally posted by neill_m View Post
                  You would have to make the South African sides eligible for Heineken Cup.
                  They could be accommodated if the English sides are kicked out next time they try to pull a fast one. Regular games against South African sides may even have more of an appeal to the top French teams than playing english sides. As long as there's no increase in the number of games the French will be happy.
                  Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.

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                    Originally posted by rathbaner View Post
                    They could be accommodated if the English sides are kicked out next time they try to pull a fast one. Regular games against South African sides may even have more of an appeal to the top French teams than playing english sides. As long as there's no increase in the number of games the French will be happy.
                    The French are never happy, you can trust me on this one :)
                    Good things happen to those who wait, though mostly much too late.

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                      Originally posted by neill_m View Post

                      Agreed a 16 team model as you have outlined could work well and that they should not go beyond 16. 2 conferences of 8 teams or a single league of 16 to decide playoffs and Heineken spots? You would have to make the South African sides eligible for Heineken Cup.

                      As I outlined above, some of the current South African sides have not pulled up trees in Super Rugby, would all 4 be of a higher standard than that of the Cheetahs?
                      Maybe not, but adding more quality players from the Cheetahs to the mix of the current 4 teams will only increase their competitiveness.

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