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    #61
    Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
    Michaels have came from nowhere and have spent a lot of money doing it. Not any comparison to Limerick or anywhere else in province. Their budget is ridiculous compared to anything in the province down here. The key is kids playing the sport first and foremost.
    No it isn't. There's lot of kids playing rugby in Limerick. ASR, Crescent, Munchins, Castletroy and Glenstal all play senior cup, and the other schools (Clements, Nessans, Gaelcolaiste) all field teams too. Michaels don't have more players than 8 Limerick schools combined. What Michaels do have, as you point out, is money. They can pay for top facilities and top coaches. Limerick schools can't (and imo it's fair enough to not spend money on the quasi-vanity project that is elite schools sports). Money clearly makes a massive difference.

    We need to find a way to improve the standard of coaching the kids are getting without spending money we don't have on it.
    It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

    Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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      #62
      Originally posted by JoeyFantastic View Post

      No it isn't. There's lot of kids playing rugby in Limerick. ASR, Crescent, Munchins, Castletroy and Glenstal all play senior cup, and the other schools (Clements, Nessans, Gaelcolaiste) all field teams too. Michaels don't have more players than 8 Limerick schools combined. What Michaels do have, as you point out, is money. They can pay for top facilities and top coaches. Limerick schools can't (and imo it's fair enough to not spend money on the quasi-vanity project that is elite schools sports). Money clearly makes a massive difference.

      We need to find a way to improve the standard of coaching the kids are getting without spending money we don't have on it.
      Nessans/Gaelcholaiste dont really play too much
      You say improve coaching standards but what exactly does that mean? These schools have current/former pros coaching them or guys whove been coaching or are still coaching in the AIL. By and large none of the schools here field more than 3 teams at senior level. Any of the larger schools in Dublin/Leinster go to 5ths and lower
      https://www.limerickleader.ie/galler...9-preview.html


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        #63
        Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
        Nessans/Gaelcholaiste dont really play too much
        You say improve coaching standards but what exactly does that mean? These schools have current/former pros coaching them or guys whove been coaching or are still coaching in the AIL. By and large none of the schools here field more than 3 teams at senior level. Any of the larger schools in Dublin/Leinster go to 5ths and lower
        https://www.limerickleader.ie/galler...9-preview.html

        Provide the same standard of coaching as St. Michael's can.

        St Michael's have improved the standard, it's up to everyone else to adapt. It's not about playing numbers, and we've known that for years. It's about maximising the talent you already have.
        It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

        Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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          #64
          Originally posted by JoeyFantastic View Post

          Provide the same standard of coaching as St. Michael's can.

          St Michael's have improved the standard, it's up to everyone else to adapt. It's not about playing numbers, and we've known that for years. It's about maximising the talent you already have.
          It is helped considerably by playing numbers. Michaels field 6 teams at senior schools level. That is more than any school on their own here,
          Providing same standard as coaching. How do you propose for coaching standards to improve? What do you change in clubs and schools here?

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            #65
            Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
            It is helped considerably by playing numbers. Michaels field 6 teams at senior schools level. That is more than any school on their own here,
            Providing same standard as coaching. How do you propose for coaching standards to improve? What do you change in clubs and schools here?
            Tbh, that's an extremely big question. My preference would be for an underage academy where the best players from all schools and clubs worked on skills regularly but you say that's already in place. Afaik the Limerick GAA one starts at u12 but I don't follow it closely.

            Why do you think Limerick schools haven't produced one pro forward in a decade? You're a lot closer to it that most.
            It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

            Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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              #66
              Originally posted by JoeyFantastic View Post

              Tbh, that's an extremely big question. My preference would be for an underage academy where the best players from all schools and clubs worked on skills regularly but you say that's already in place. Afaik the Limerick GAA one starts at u12 but I don't follow it closely.

              Why do you think Limerick schools haven't produced one pro forward in a decade? You're a lot closer to it that most.
              There has been kids whove went pro in that time and played some form of pro rugby in england/france for several years.
              You say underage academy but that is in place and been in place for years.
              It can be just cyclical. There was period when Limerick produced a much higher number of pros than it possibly should have and now its not producing that many at all.
              And i dont see that much age grade rugby in Munster any more. Cant say too much as a result

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                #67
                Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post

                West Cork = 8 [James French, Josh Wycherley, Darren O'Shea, Fineen Wycherley, Gavin Coombes, John Hodnett, Darren Sweetnam, Liam Coombes]
                Cork = 16 [James Cronin, Liam O'Connor, Stephen Archer, John Ryan, Brian Scott, Luke Masters, Kevin O'Byrne, Niall Scannell, Billy Holland, Peter O'Mahony, Jack O'Sullivan, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly, Alex McHenry, Sean French, Jonathan Wren]


                PBC = 8 - Brian Scott, Niall Scannell, Peter O'Mahony, Jack O'Sullivan, Rory Scannell, Shane Daly, Sean French, Jonathan Wren.
                CBC = 6.5 - Liam O'Connor, Stephen Archer, John Ryan, Luke Masters, Billy Holland, Alex McHenry, 0.5 [Liam Coombes]
                Club Rugby = 5.5 - James Cronin, Kevin O'Byrne, Darren O'Shea, John Hodnett, 3 x 0.5 [Josh Wycherley, Fineen Wycherley, Liam Coombes]
                Bandon GS = 3 - James French, Gavin Coombes, Darren Sweetnam

                Wycherley spent 2 year each at Roscrea. 0.5 x 2
                Liam Coombes spent 2 years at CBC Cork. 0.5 x 1

                Breakdown of clubs:
                Bantry Bay RFC - 2 [Josh Wycherley, Fineen Wycherley]
                Clonakilty RFC - 1 [John Hodnett]
                Highfield RFC - 1 [Kevin O'Byrne]
                Ballincollig RFC - 1 [James Cronin]
                Crosshaven RFC - 1 [Darren O'Shea]
                Skibbereen RFC - 0.5 [Liam Coombes]
                How is Crosshaven / Myrtleville in West Cork?
                Seven social sins: politics without principles, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge without character, commerce without morality, science without humanity, and worship without sacrifice



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                  #68

                  I see a tweet recently saying Kinsale was also West Cork , now that's really stretching things.

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                    #69
                    The Wild Atlantic Way starts at Kinsale.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                      The Wild Atlantic Way starts at Kinsale.
                      And sure isn't Cork in the Ancient East

                      There is one way to find out if a man is honest; ask him! If he says yes you know he\'s crooked.
                      Groucho Marx

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by spanish red View Post

                        And sure isn't Cork in the Ancient East
                        That's like something Cummiskey might say.

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                          #72
                          Sad to hear Doug Howlett is heading for the hills
                          Gwan Joe!!

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                            #73
                            The people who are moving on is surely freeing up a nice chunk of change to spend, presumably the new coaches will cost a few quid, but there could well be money in the pot for a big signing

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