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    Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post
    Given IRFU & Munster are identifying the players from a young age who have the potential to be top pros and investing training and S&C in those players, if Munster are not having a strong representation in those irish squads.. it's very unlikely that they will suddenly be "made" on the fields of the AIL and appear in the munster senior squad.
    Its not about being "made in the AIL". Its about being exposed to playing tough rugby more often. The AIL used to be that in the 1990's, just like the Munster Cup and League were in the 1980's. We haven't replaced that> Leinster have closed the gap by making their schools cup basically semi-pro, absolutely well done to them. they have a bunch of 19 year old monsters in a way that they never had before. Congratulations to the 100's of coaches involved in that. Munster can't just replicate that anymore than Leinster could replicate the AIL pathway that brought Munster success.Munster will need to find an approach that works in Munster.

    My other point was not that there are some unknown gems waiting in the backwoods somewhere to be discovered, it was that a 17 year old who is good enough to be in a clubs squad or schools squad shouldn't be written off because they are lacking in one attribute. The role of the system is to work with that player.

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      Originally posted by AwayFromHome View Post

      Its not about being "made in the AIL". Its about being exposed to playing tough rugby more often. The AIL used to be that in the 1990's, just like the Munster Cup and League were in the 1980's. We haven't replaced that> Leinster have closed the gap by making their schools cup basically semi-pro, absolutely well done to them. they have a bunch of 19 year old monsters in a way that they never had before. Congratulations to the 100's of coaches involved in that. Munster can't just replicate that anymore than Leinster could replicate the AIL pathway that brought Munster success.Munster will need to find an approach that works in Munster.

      My other point was not that there are some unknown gems waiting in the backwoods somewhere to be discovered, it was that a 17 year old who is good enough to be in a clubs squad or schools squad shouldn't be written off because they are lacking in one attribute. The role of the system is to work with that player.
      while the schools have progressed hugely in recent era the leinster schools were always top level and far ahead of anything in Munster. Leinster could easily and should have done far more in the early 90s
      there is very much unknown gems to be found and who are not even known about. The numbers playing the sport have increased so much and coaches at development level will not see many clubs play. And therefore not even know about plenty of players with potential to progress to high level within the game

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        Nationally the elephant in the room is school v club produced snobbery and bias against the latter. The club produced player still has to be 50% better than the schools startlet imho to get a look in. The schools all over the country have upped their game to such an extent that the chances of another 18 /19 year old O’Brien or Furlong breaking through aren’t fantastic. That needs to change. Leinster are ahead in terms of who they have nurtured through into the professional game and ultimately the international side from a club background but all the provinces could do better. You only have to look at the level of athlete on display in the GAA week in week out to see there are missed candidates all over the place, many of whom would have played both games growing up.

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          Originally posted by LongtimeLurker View Post
          Nationally the elephant in the room is school v club produced snobbery and bias against the latter. The club produced player still has to be 50% better than the schools startlet imho to get a look in. The schools all over the country have upped their game to such an extent that the chances of another 18 /19 year old O’Brien or Furlong breaking through aren’t fantastic. That needs to change. Leinster are ahead in terms of who they have nurtured through into the professional game and ultimately the international side from a club background but all the provinces could do better. You only have to look at the level of athlete on display in the GAA week in week out to see there are missed candidates all over the place, many of whom would have played both games growing up.
          Many who played the game growing up? Oh yeah who?

          GAA is still number 1 in most counties and a player who looks to be a future inter county star will almost always go that way as it's his number 1 sport. Especially as the path to senior county panel is a lot easier than the path to the senior provincial squad.

          The problem for many club players is that they don't get enough good consistent coaching.

          Interesting that the two star non-schools players have came from Leinster, hopefully Ahern changes that.
          Last edited by ScrummieMan; 11-June-2020, 14:47.

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            Apologies if already mentioned.
            Sean O’Connor and Ciaran Parker to join the Jersey Reds next season.

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              Originally posted by ScrummieMan View Post

              Many who played the game growing up? Oh yeah who?

              GAA is still number 1 in most counties and a player who looks to be a future inter county star will almost always go that way as it's his number 1 sport. Especially as the path to senior county panel is a lot easier than the path to the senior provincial squad.

              The problem for many club players is that they don't get enough good consistent coaching.

              Interesting that the two star non-schools players have came from Leinster, hopefully Ahern changes that.
              Diarmuid O'Sulllivan is the one that always springs to mind - think he would have made a savage rugby player and played when he retired from Cork.
              No disputing that the GAA is a bigger draw, don't have any stats,my sense would be that in any provincial town with both an underage rugby and GAA team there is significant crossover, with at least 25% of the GAA team also playing rugby up to U15/16 and vice versa.
              Granted the sports may well be more siloed in the cities.

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                I was hoping for a more recent example... but I think your right about the crossover, it's just getting those top athletes to choose rugby over GAA. Same issue in the other provinces.

                SOB and Furlong weren't inter county level GAA players, if they had been they might not be playing rugby right now.

                Munster got Sweetnam which was an achievement, they are trying to lure Patrick Campbell from Cork Football. Other than that they seem to very separated the talent pools at older underage levels.
                Last edited by ScrummieMan; 12-June-2020, 12:12.

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                  Squad back in small groups training from next week. Covid19 testing started

                  https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/06/...turn-to-rugby/


                  Cloete still in SA though.. no word on CJ
                  Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                    He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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                      Picture worth a thousand words, look how high above AlanWin he is, ball secured and on his way back down.


                      A beasht of a man
                      I am the million man.

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                        That all augurs very well...

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                          Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
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                          Picture worth a thousand words, look how high above AlanWin he is, ball secured and on his way back down.


                          A beasht of a man
                          In fairness, that ginger prop Kitshoff could probably put him into orbit. He's a monster.
                          When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                              Sorry if video was posted previously.
                              1. I expect these levels of performance week in week out
                              2. He needs to dye hair black (beard as well), give himself a demented Khal Drogo type vibe.
                              3. Mwahhhahaahahaha ....he's with us now

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                                He'll need to be finishing those breaks as well, under the sticks, no excuses.

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