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    Originally posted by Sulla View Post

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    It should stay that way too. No personal stuff should ever be posted here.
    Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue,
    Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork!

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      Originally posted by Joe Konys barmy army View Post

      The population of Australia is about 5 times more the population of New Zealand ..... New Zealand don’t sit around crying about demographics they get on with the business of maximizing what they have and winning.
      The rate of interest in rugby and player numbers between an Australian and New Zealand region is vastly different as you well know. The equivalent would be more like combining Brumbies, Waratahs, Reds and Rebels into a single eastern team and expecting the Western Force to compete against them.

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        Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post

        It should stay that way too. No personal stuff should ever be posted here.
        No bother, didn't realise it was such
        Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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          The reactions in the media are a little OTT.

          Some perspective needed. We made again the semi finals of the two competitions we entered. We lost to two very able teams, and can look on some very good performances all season.

          Ok, we would love to have done better. And we know we have shortcomings. We need a cutting edge and we need better coaching. But we know we have to improve and the ambition is there. The resources are unfortunately a different matter.

          We have qualified for the H Cup and we have retained many of our better players. Glass half full.

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            From The Grauniad 28 April 2003

            Toulouse 13 Munster 12

            "Munster paid the price for their over-reliance on old-fashioned 10-man rugby."

            "We never looked like scoring a try," [ROG] admitted. "Everyone played near enough to their potential but sometimes it just isn't good enough."

            "Munster's coach Alan Gaffney had no one on his bench capable of providing fresh impetus in the final quarter."

            "in Limerick and Cork they continue to believe their day will come. "I'm sure one day we will win it," vowed O'Gara, defiant as ever. On Saturday, though, Munster were second best to opponents who can only get better."

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              Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
              The reactions in the media are a little OTT.

              Some perspective needed. We made again the semi finals of the two competitions we entered. We lost to two very able teams, and can look on some very good performances all season.

              Ok, we would love to have done better. And we know we have shortcomings. We need a cutting edge and we need better coaching. But we know we have to improve and the ambition is there. The resources are unfortunately a different matter.

              We have qualified for the H Cup and we have retained many of our better players. Glass half full.
              If it was just about results, I'd agree completely, 2 semifinals is a good return for the season, especially as the 2 teams to beat us are very good teams, and as far as JvG is concerned that is a very healthy passing grade.

              The problem for supporters is that there's no 'on our day we could . . .' left for us to come away with. We seem to have hit our ceiling and lack the ability to give ourselves a fighting chance against top quality opposition. The two semi-final losses seemed inevitable.

              The big question for me is whether or not we need to risk taking a step back to take 2 steps forward. Connacht, Scarlets (2017), Ulster and Glasgow have shipped some losses in order to give themselves a chance against anyone by playing a more open brand of rugby (even if I'm over generalising a tad!). Do we need to do similar, and will the Munster support tolerate it, if it takes a while to come together ? Also, each the above teams did have some outstanding attacking back-3 players, so approach alone may not cut it.

              On a positive note, 2 things I did like about Saturday (from my very poor viewing angle - and I didn't watch it again on TV)
              1. Quick pick-and-go. Not often enough, but we did at least (briefly) learn how to keep momentum going !
              2. Joeys skip passes - couldn't tell if they were even remotely effective from where I was, but they looked to be making Leinster think twice (which sadly they did quickly and effectively)

              And ratcheting it up to unbridled optimism, I reckon a season with Joey and Earls fit throughout could have been a lot different - roll on next year !

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                Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
                The reactions in the media are a little OTT.

                Some perspective needed. We made again the semi finals of the two competitions we entered. We lost to two very able teams, and can look on some very good performances all season.

                Ok, we would love to have done better. And we know we have shortcomings. We need a cutting edge and we need better coaching. But we know we have to improve and the ambition is there. The resources are unfortunately a different matter.

                We have qualified for the H Cup and we have retained many of our better players. Glass half full.
                We scraped past an Edinburgh side that’s not
                good enough to be in the champions cup next season.

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                  Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                  From The Grauniad 28 April 2003

                  Toulouse 13 Munster 12

                  "Munster paid the price for their over-reliance on old-fashioned 10-man rugby."

                  "We never looked like scoring a try," [ROG] admitted. "Everyone played near enough to their potential but sometimes it just isn't good enough."

                  "Munster's coach Alan Gaffney had no one on his bench capable of providing fresh impetus in the final quarter."

                  "in Limerick and Cork they continue to believe their day will come. "I'm sure one day we will win it," vowed O'Gara, defiant as ever. On Saturday, though, Munster were second best to opponents who can only get better."
                  God how well I remember my disbelief sitting there when the final whistle blew as I had been convinced throughout that we'd win against the odds. We had some great trips away to France those days while we were waiting to make the breakthrough, I wonder who we'll get next season.

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                    Originally posted by lawrence View Post

                    We scraped past an Edinburgh side that’s not
                    good enough to be in the champions cup next season.
                    ...and, despite the win, Treviso were better than us in the QFs. They're still kicking themselves for letting that one slip away.

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                      Originally posted by Miguel Sanchez View Post

                      It should stay that way too. No personal stuff should ever be posted here.
                      Agreed. Very sad though
                      Has Fineen put Johnny down yet?

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                        Originally posted by lawrence View Post

                        We scraped past an Edinburgh side that’s not
                        good enough to be in the champions cup next season.
                        Edinburgh are a very good team. They had 7 of the Scottish pack (at least 1 of whom could not make the team).

                        They are a case in point of a good squad with a good coach not keeping their standards up.

                        Ospreys just scraped in to Europe and they will have a very good team (though will suffer during world cup).

                        Consistently knocking at the door and falling at the semis is very disappointing - but should not be underestimated in terms of achievement.
                        ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                        Originally Posted by mr chips
                        AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                          Originally posted by Joe Konys barmy army View Post

                          The population of Australia is about 5 times more the population of New Zealand ..... New Zealand don’t sit around crying about demographics they get on with the business of maximizing what they have and winning.
                          What utter drivel. Care to delve into where rugby ranks in each country’s list of most popular sports? Should USA be favourites for the RWC? Honestly
                          \"Only Pienaar, Botha and Ferris would be in contention for a place on our first 15. That\'s a fact.\" - Tickettout\'s take on Ulster April 2011.

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                            Originally posted by Talking Sense View Post

                            What utter drivel. Care to delve into where rugby ranks in each country’s list of most popular sports? Should USA be favourites for the RWC? Honestly
                            Exactly.... suggesting population of an area is directly proportional to success of a team is “utter drivel”. Somebody posted a list of countries ranked by registered plays and it showed France having twice the number as New Zealand so even registered players dosent correlate to success.

                            A couple of years ago after the Heineken cup was reorganized and the provinces had a with bad year everybody was crying off that we couldn’t compete because we didn’t have the finances but in the last two years both Munster and Leinster were in the semis regularly beating teams spending more.

                            Munster didn’t loose at the weekend because of the population of Leinster .... in Conway, Beirne and Carbury they were using the population of Leinster and looking at both starting 15s there was **** all between the teams in talent. One line break with Murray, Joey, Farrell, Conway’s and Earls in the back line? That’s not population mate ... that’s “utter drivel”. Demand better and don’t give the team a pass because of population.
                            “One, Fineen needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Fineen’s not on field, all the other players should be asking 'Where's Fineen?

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                              Originally posted by AdolphusGrigson View Post

                              Edinburgh are a very good team. They had 7 of the Scottish pack (at least 1 of whom could not make the team).

                              They are a case in point of a good squad with a good coach not keeping their standards up.

                              Ospreys just scraped in to Europe and they will have a very good team (though will suffer during world cup).

                              Consistently knocking at the door and falling at the semis is very disappointing - but should not be underestimated in terms of achievement.


                              I wouldn't consider Edinburgh a very good team, they were unable to get past Ulster, Treviso, or Scarlets in the league, they had some good wins in some games over the year, but they don't have or deserve to have Champions cup rugby next year and realistically we are a team that is only one score better than them or Treviso at this stage.

                              As for all their players in the Scotland Side? They won one game in the 6 Nations and that was at home to Italy. Edinburgh are overall a very average team capable of the odd big game.

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                                Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford

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