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    Originally posted by FORWARD.... View Post
    Does any other club get a half or a quarter of the antipathy towards external coaches that goes on here. If we had anyone local good enough, they'd be here. JVG is entitled to choose his team and the best of luck to him. Let's not have an Axel v Penney carousel again.
    And JVG doesn’t seem to have done anything to deserve the antipathy. He’s had a decent first season (not over yet) and has been looking for a top coach to address what we all agree is a problem - our attack.

    I don’t know why the two lads decided to leave, and best of luck to them, but maybe we should just back the coaches that are sticking around, and hope we get some excellent new recruits in too.

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      Originally posted by Dougie View Post

      This just confirms after all the ****e you've spoken in the last week that you're just a troll. We have a semi final to play for and hopefully a final after that. Don't bother replying to this because I won't respond to your ****.
      I’ll post if I want and I am happy that you won’t respond. I don’t insult anyone on here.

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        I'm not sure he deserves antipathy but I'm not certain jvg is what we need. In simple terms he has been here a season and a half, we have seen very little change to the game plan skills levels or backline progress and haven't progressed. Two coaches going, one more backroom guy possibly leaving. Whatever the story is, there is little logical reason to feel confidence in him. All we can do is continue to get behind the team, hope, and wish for positive changes internally All that said, beating leinster would cure much in the short term anyway.

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          Originally posted by North Country Spider View Post
          I'm not sure he deserves antipathy but I'm not certain jvg is what we need. In simple terms he has been here a season and a half, we have seen very little change to the game plan skills levels or backline progress and haven't progressed. Two coaches going, one more backroom guy possibly leaving. Whatever the story is, there is little logical reason to feel confidence in him. All we can do is continue to get behind the team, hope, and wish for positive changes internally All that said, beating leinster would cure much in the short term anyway.
          I agree he hasn’t achieved enough to warrant complete faith but he hasn’t failed enough to be written off either. He shouldn’t automatically get the blame for lads leaving, nor should that necessarily been seen as a big negative anyway. If he recruits the right replacements it could be the thing that finally takes the team to new heights.

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            Originally posted by isola ciarrai View Post
            Have it on good authority (someone I am confident of) that the contracts offered both JF and FJ were improved contracts on what they have had - maybe they felt they deserved better, who knows.
            I can understand FJ feeling it necessary to go - after all, the criticisms were pretty pointed in the direction of a sterile, cliched attack. Fla is a surprise, as we have improved set piece work.
            Whatever ROG says, he's out of here a long time - I took more notice of Donal Lenihan in De Paper after the semi final where he spoke of our approach in attack being average at best, and requiring a different approach to progress.
            JVG is not my dream coach but he inherited both JF and FJ and they have had plenty opportunity to impress. Felt that giving a high profile backs coach job to someone with very little experieence was mad, which did not work out with Dutchie Holland at the time.
            At this stage, and I believe in common with a lot of supporters, I would like to see available cash spent on top level coaching, to improve what we have here, than necessarily going after a marquee player.
            Finally, if things were getting toxic in the camp, I doubt that, even IRFU aside, that Joey, Farrell, Beirne would have extended their existing deals, and that Casey would have stayed.
            First mention of Jason Holland I've heard in a while. Wouldn't mind seeing him come back in as an assistant to a Rob Howley type! As for the S&C coach I'm not sure this is really a massive shock considering they brought in the American guy last year so he could be taking over the main role?

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              My only major hope is that we end up with more coaches than we currently have, its been mentioned since Axel passed that we were understaffed (Rassie stepping into the role) and bringing in Howley or whoever was meant to give us 5 coaches or so:

              Johann as Head Coach
              JP on Defence
              Fla on Forwards
              Howley or whoever on attack
              Felix on Skills etc


              That figure is up in the air now again and are we going in to next season with 4 or 5 coaches?


              With the departure of FlaFel we are back to being short of men again, Leo has Stuart Lancaster, Fogs, Contempomi and Emmet Farrell as senior coaches and Easterby handling **** you do in a suit for him, and a backroom staff of 26 other fellas = 32 involved in making it all tick along from kitman through academy onto seniors

              We have as far as I can ascertain a setup of 16 people for the seniors and 6 for the academy = 22 from top to toe (any help on this figure would be great) I added Acki Mullins even though he is not listed myself
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                [QUOTE=Tobyglen;n2568511]Jones is getting a lot of stick but the buck has to stop with JVG. The game plan is on him. 18 months he is here now and we haven't gone anywhere"

                I said that 4 months ago and got absolutely slated here. Now we are reduced to interviewing Howley. We are in a mess. We were promised a Director of Rugby and we still don't have one. If the rumors are correct, and if Conor O'Shea gets his marching orders from the Italian job after the WC then he should be top of any list as Director of Rugby... then .. why not sound ROG out about coming back. He's out of contract afaik at the end of this season. He's not contracted to anyone for the WC so he's available, and he's done a superb job at Racing and the Crusaders. Why not ROG ??
                Calm yourself sir.. you\'re going to give yourself skin failure.

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                  [QUOTE=sledger2003;n2569453]
                  Originally posted by Tobyglen View Post
                  Jones is getting a lot of stick but the buck has to stop with JVG. The game plan is on him. 18 months he is here now and we haven't gone anywhere"

                  I said that 4 months ago and got absolutely slated here. Now we are reduced to interviewing Howley. We are in a mess. We were promised a Director of Rugby and we still don't have one. If the rumors are correct, and if Conor O'Shea gets his marching orders from the Italian job after the WC then he should be top of any list as Director of Rugby... then .. why not sound ROG out about coming back. He's out of contract afaik at the end of this season. He's not contracted to anyone for the WC so he's available, and he's done a superb job at Racing and the Crusaders. Why not ROG ??
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                    Has anything been signed yet Cowboy .. rumour .. that's all it is ..
                    Calm yourself sir.. you\'re going to give yourself skin failure.

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                      My guess (based on no evidence whatsoever and some spite) is that the effective demotion of Felix brought a one out all out loyalty reaction from Flannery.

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                        Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post
                        My guess (based on no evidence whatsoever and some spite) is that the effective demotion of Felix brought a one out all out loyalty reaction from Flannery.
                        Agreed. I heard something similar, might have been one of the journos on OTB that mentioned it.
                        Calm yourself sir.. you\'re going to give yourself skin failure.

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                          Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                          My only major hope is that we end up with more coaches than we currently have, its been mentioned since Axel passed that we were understaffed (Rassie stepping into the role) and bringing in Howley or whoever was meant to give us 5 coaches or so:

                          Johann as Head Coach
                          JP on Defence
                          Fla on Forwards
                          Howley or whoever on attack
                          Felix on Skills etc


                          That figure is up in the air now again and are we going in to next season with 4 or 5 coaches?


                          With the departure of FlaFel we are back to being short of men again, Leo has Stuart Lancaster, Fogs, Contempomi and Emmet Farrell as senior coaches and Easterby handling **** you do in a suit for him, and a backroom staff of 26 other fellas = 32 involved in making it all tick along from kitman through academy onto seniors

                          We have as far as I can ascertain a setup of 16 people for the seniors and 6 for the academy = 22 from top to toe (any help on this figure would be great) I added Acki Mullins even though he is not listed myself
                          The difference is quite stark. Presumably the provinces have to work within overall resources.

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                            Originally posted by sledger2003 View Post

                            Agreed. I heard something similar, might have been one of the journos on OTB that mentioned it.
                            I wouldn't believe much coming from them.
                            Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue,
                            Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork!

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                              Maybe ROG has made them an offer they can't refuse at La Rochelle.
                              Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.

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                                Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                                My only major hope is that we end up with more coaches than we currently have, its been mentioned since Axel passed that we were understaffed (Rassie stepping into the role) and bringing in Howley or whoever was meant to give us 5 coaches or so:

                                Johann as Head Coach
                                JP on Defence
                                Fla on Forwards
                                Howley or whoever on attack
                                Felix on Skills etc


                                That figure is up in the air now again and are we going in to next season with 4 or 5 coaches?


                                With the departure of FlaFel we are back to being short of men again, Leo has Stuart Lancaster, Fogs, Contempomi and Emmet Farrell as senior coaches and Easterby handling **** you do in a suit for him, and a backroom staff of 26 other fellas = 32 involved in making it all tick along from kitman through academy onto seniors

                                We have as far as I can ascertain a setup of 16 people for the seniors and 6 for the academy = 22 from top to toe (any help on this figure would be great) I added Acki Mullins even though he is not listed myself
                                Munster 'will take time' as van Graan looks to add three coaches

                                With Jerry Flannery and Felix Jones departing, the province will be making backroom appointments.

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                                SARACENS ARE THE standard bearers in European club rugby, as is very clear after they beat Leinster in the Champions Cup final last weekend.

                                That applies to their off-field work as much as the quality of what they deliver on it.

                                Saracens’ coaching staff is one of stability, cohesion and complementary skills.

                                Director of rugby Mark McCall, his team of five assistant coaches and the club’s Irish performance director Philip Morrow – very much part of the decision-making processes – extended their contracts en masse last year.

                                Johann van Graan speaks to the media yesterday.Source: James Crombie/INPHO

                                Defence/forwards coach Alex Sanderson and backs coach Kevin Sorrell are former Saracens players, while kicking coach Dan Vickers joined in 2006, skills coach Joe Shaw has been there since 2013 and scrum/forwards coach Ian Peel came on board in 2015.

                                Clearly, McCall has plenty of support and it’s a backroom set-up that Munster head coach Johann van Graan must look at with envy.

                                As things stand, van Graan and defence coach JP Ferreira are the only two confirmed Munster coaches ahead of next season, following last week’s announcement that forwards coach Jerry Flannery and backline/attack coach Felix Jones will leave this summer.

                                Flannery and Jones declined contract extensions and van Graan has been left searching for suitable new additions with just weeks of the current season remaining.

                                “I’m very saddened and disappointed that they are going,” said van Graan yesterday. “Both of them got offered contracts and both of them are leaving for different personal reasons.

                                “It’s a club that both of them like. We as a group of management and players respect them so much, as we do with all people at Munster rugby. It’s a professional sport and people make decisions and people move on.”

                                Even before the confirmation that Jones and Flannery will leave, van Graan had been on the record stating his hope to bring in one more coach to “spread the workload”.

                                Now, he must find three.

                                “I think firstly it’s identifying who those people are. You want three coaches across world rugby who are the right fit, and all on the same timeline. So in a perfect world, yes, but this is how it’s worked out now, so we’ll take our time in filling the positions.”

                                Flannery and Jones at training in UL yesterday.Source: James Crombie/INPHO

                                Van Graan underlined his belief that Munster’s acting CEO, Philip Quinn, and the Professional Game Board had done everything in their power to retain Flannery and Jones.



                                Their exits leave the Munster staff without any homegrown coaches for the first time, although van Graan stressed that the province’s identity won’t be diluted – even if the newcomers aren’t from Munster.

                                “It is so important for Munster to keep the Munster-ness of it,” said van Graan. “We have some fantastic people here, [performance analyst] George Murray has been here for 17 years, he is here every single day of his life.

                                “We’ve got [team manager] Niall O’Donovan that’s been through the process so many times, so we will try and keep Munster as much a part of Munster as we can.

                                “I just want people in here who want to serve Munster and that is why I said when I came in here, it is not about me, it is about this club and doing what is best for this club.

                                “We will do our best, but it doesn’t matter where the coaches are from as long as Munster are winning and as long as we produce players for Ireland and this club keeps moving forward. That is all that is important to me.”

                                While some Munster supporters will be understandably concerned about Jones and Flannery leaving in this rather surprising fashion, van Graan was keen to stress that the province is making progress and that key players have re-signed.

                                “To Munster supporters, I’d say 22 players have signed on. Tadhg Beirne and Craig Casey are the latest additions. Tadhg and Joey [Carbery] signed on with another year [still left] on their contracts.

                                “All of our Irish guys who we wanted to keep we have kept, so we have an incredible group of players going forward into next season.


                                Van Graan wants three new coaches.Source: James Crombie/INPHO

                                “That’s the most important thing for me, that the playing group must be happy and then the support staff right across the organization are there to make sure that the players perform on the pitch and that’s what we’ll continue to do.”

                                Van Graan was unwilling to comment on any specific names who could join Munster’s coaching team next season.

                                While it would seem that making appointments is urgent given that pre-season will get underway in June, van Graan said Munster won’t rush things.

                                “We’ll follow the diligent process to get the right people at Munster Rugby. We’ll take our time and the most important thing is we must take the team forward, and just make sure that we get guys who can better the team.

                                “Both Jerry and Felix are fantastic coaches. They’re guys that I’ve trusted with my life, and [that works] both ways. We’ve worked together so well and I guess you guys can see from the passion in my eyes that I really wanted to keep them.

                                “Unfortunately, that’s not the case and you can look at the bottle as half-full or half-empty. I’m going to look at it as half-full and look at positives, and we’ve got to take this team forward now.”

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