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    TP and MP redevelopment



    As its clear the board is split on this I was wondering what people thought the ideal setup would be. One post only per person. No debating back and forwards. Just post your idea of howit should look going forward and why.


    For me Munster should have exclusive use of the two grounds and its revenue making potential.They should then makethe groundsavailable to the AIL clubs, schoolsforbig games, senior cup finals, schools cup finals, AIL finals etc when required.This is the only way I see Munster generating significant revenue going forward and we are playing catch up on all the big clubs in europein this regard.


    There should be a deal done with the four clubs impacted which sees them financially compensated for beingrehoused elsewhere.This is IMHO the fairest way for all the AIL clubs not just those in the two grounds.


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    #2
    The likes of Bohs, Shannon, Sundays Well and Dolphins have been at these grounds a lot longer than the "Munster Good Time". It would be totally unacceptable to see any of these clubs chucked out. I enjoy drinking in Shannon and Dolphins when I am in Cork and I am happy to do so as every pint I buy helps the club I am visiting.
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      #3


      I would much prefer Shannon etc.stay put than some private individual purchase Hassetts pub, it has a big site, and build a superpub with restaurants, corporate facilities etc. making private money from Munster. On big match days the more bars on site the better as it generates more cash for rugby, there are never enough bars for big games, same as Croke Park last Sunday.


      On AIL days Shannon have their bar open and serve lunch to the teams and officials and it makes no profit worth talking of. Munster would lose money if they had to open bars on AIL day.


      What I would like to see is Thomond Park go down the Croke Park route and try attract weddings and other functions on non match days.

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        #4





        Leave the clubs in situ, with bar take on ML and HEC match days going to the branch rather than the clubs. It's going back to the clubs anyway.
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          Oh, and I'd hope that the bars look more like the clubhouse at the Stoop than the hole in the wall jobs you get at most stadia now.


          s**te. 2 posts.
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            #6

            Originally posted by Balla Boy




            Oh, and I'd hope that the bars look more like the clubhouse at the Stoop than the hole in the wall jobs you get at most stadia now.


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              #7
              Originally posted by Sarsfield
              Originally posted by Balla Boy





              Oh, and I'd hope that the bars look more like the clubhouse at the Stoop than the hole in the wall jobs you get at most stadia now.


              s**te. 2 posts.

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              Thanks for the tip off.


              Bugger- that's three.
              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                #8
                <UL>
                <LI>The Cork City Council should extend the CPO they have just been granted for the Showgrounds, to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh grounds. </LI>
                <LI>They should then build a multi-purpose stadium, capacity, say, 50,000, in which all games, Munster, Cork, Cork Cityetc. which could attract such an attendance could be played.Smaller games would be played in MP, Páirc Uí Rinn, Turner's Cross respectively</LI>
                <LI>The Limerick City Council should slap a CPO on the Gaelic Grounds, build the Limerick County Board a 10,000 to 15,000 pitch and proceed as above with the smaller games being played in TP the new GAA grounds and wherever Limerick 37 are based. </LI>[/list]





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                  #9


                  Originally posted by Piquet
                  <ul>[*]The Cork City Council should extend the CPO they have just been granted for the Showgrounds, to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh grounds. [*]They should then build a multi-purpose stadium, capacity, say, 50,000, in which all games, Munster, Cork, Cork Cityetc. which could attract such an attendance could be played.Smaller games would be played in MP, Páirc Uí Rinn, Turner's Cross respectively[*]The Limerick City Council should slap a CPO on the Gaelic Grounds, build the Limerick County Board a 10,000 to 15,000 pitch and proceed as above with the smaller games being played in TP the new GAA grounds and wherever Limerick 37 are based.[/list]




                  That would be controversial but that's how its done here in France. Cue the protestations from the gaa lads...

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                    #10


                    I see no problem with leaving the clubs in situ as long as their facilities are integrated into the development plan for the stadia rather than supplemental to it.


                    I do not know the curent financial arrangements butmaybe there should be a review of the rents paid to the MB/IRFU to reflect the additional revenue earned by the clubson Munster match days.


                    The MB/IRFU are not equiped to run catering businesses and would probably subcontract themout anyway. Why not to the clubs (in part at least)?

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                      #11

                      Originally posted by Piquet
                      <ul>[*]The Cork City Council should extend the CPO they have just been granted for the Showgrounds, to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh grounds. [*]They should then build a multi-purpose stadium, capacity, say, 50,000, in which all games, Munster, Cork, Cork Cityetc. which could attract such an attendance could be played.Smaller games would be played in MP, Páirc Uí Rinn, Turner's Cross respectively[*]The Limerick City Council should slap a CPO on the Gaelic Grounds, build the Limerick County Board a 10,000 to 15,000 pitch and proceed as above with the smaller games being played in TP the new GAA grounds and wherever Limerick 37 are based.[/list]




                      Well said, completely agree. Will never happen though.

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                        #12


                        Considering the clubs are effectively academies* for Munster it would be incredibly stupid to risk their future.





                        *obviously, the clubs are much more than just academies, but even in that role they are irreplacable, let alone the other roles they fill.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Piquet
                          <ul>[*]The Cork City Council should extend the CPO they have just been
                          granted for the Showgrounds, to the Páirc Uí Chaoimh grounds. [*]They should then build a multi-purpose stadium, capacity, say,
                          50,000, in which all games, Munster, Cork, *Cork City*etc. which
                          could attract such an attendance could be played.**Smaller games
                          would be played in MP, Páirc Uí Rinn, Turner's Cross respectively[*]The Limerick City Council should slap a CPO on the Gaelic
                          Grounds, build the Limerick County Board a 10,000 to 15,000
                          pitch *and proceed as above with the smaller games being played in
                          TP the new GAA grounds and wherever Limerick 37 are based.* [/list]


                          **


                          *
                          Logical option, but no sporting organisation in the country, no local
                          politician and no residents group has ever operated on logic!

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                            #14
                            Stade Francais got the go ahead yeasterday from Paris city hall to rebuild Stade Jean Bouin. Caused a lot of trouble between the socialists who were for it, the greens who flip-flopped, and the UMP(centre right in France - Workers Party in Ireland[img]smileys/lol.gif[/img]), who were against it.

                            The mairie is going to pump 111€m into it but it'll only have a capacity of 18,000 - who said Ireland was expensive? The other interesting thing is that even though the ground will be owned by the mairie, it will be for rugby only - a major bone of contention.

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                              #15
                              Wouldn't it be great Piquet; but unfortunately this CPO seems designed more to provide land for the GAA rather than take from it.
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