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    Referees don’t know the laws?



    At one point the Dragons formed a maul, but they didn't, because no Munster player was anywhere near them, they then advanced into a Munster player (POC)who immediately pointed out to the referee that this was obstruction. The referee waved play on, yet POC was correct, you can only form a maul where an opponent is involved.


    Looking at the rest of the game I realised how much rubbish referees let go. At the breakdown you had players "clearing out" the ruck by blatantly charging in with a raised forearm. You had players being cleared from the ruck by being grabbed round the head/face/kneck by a player behind them (in an offside position). Tacklers being trampled deliberately for the sake of it as they rolled away and didn't interfere in any way with play.


    At one point he chastised a Dragons player for blatantly blocking a player from being able to chase a pass to a clearance kick. Yet he carried on as though nothing had happened. Again, that's a penalty.


    What's the point in penalising, banning etc players if the referees either don't know or won't enforce the laws of the game?

    #2

    the ref is the biggest pile
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      #3
      But he's no more than you see every week at top level now. The IRB really need to sort this out.

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          #5
          THE REF TONIGHT, ALLY MC BEAL, DESTROYED TO CONFIDENCE IN THE YOUNGSTERS TRYING TO MAKE AN IMPRESSION.

          THE REF NEEDS TO BE CITED BY MUNSTER RUGBY &amp; SENT BACK TO SCOTISH DIV 2 TO LEARN HOW TO REFEREE
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            Omer,


            You omitted to mention the taking out ofthe short-side defender (Foley)just prior to scoring their 'try', the head-high tackles on Cullen, Horgan, Mafi and Lawlor, allowing them the luxury of holding on to the ball after being put to ground. We won't even mention the forward passes or the constant off-sides.


            You are not the first person to mention and it's one of the reasons the English laugh at the celtic (sorry Magners) league. It's part of the reason the Welsh are competing with the English. Everyone recognises that it's a lottery at best, especially when you have Scottish refs who do not have the knowledge or ability to ref a junior C game.

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              #7
              He let a drop goal be scored directly from a scrum which to the best of my knowledge is against the laws of the game.
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                In the indo today Ward has a piece on refs. Sadly rather then saying the reffing standard must improve he is going on about respect for the ref. In my experience if you want respect you must provide a reason for it. Knowing the rules of the game you are reffing would be a good way to start.


                He does mention that the habit of giving warnings has to stop and that the touch judges need to follow what is happening behind the ball / ref.
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                  #9


                  Here's what a man with more knowledge of the game thinks of ML reffing......


                  @@@@SPAN =articledate>06 January 2007 @@@@/SPAN>

                  @@@@SPAN =articleline>Foley fumes at choice of officials@@@@/SPAN>

                  @@@@SPAN =author>By Barry Coughlan@@@@/SPAN>
                  @@@@SPAN =articlesummary>STAND-IN Munster captain Anthony Foley has weighed in with Connacht coach Michael Bradley in criticism of Magners League officialdom selection. @@@@/SPAN>
                  @@@@SPAN =article>
                  Bradley, the former Irish captain and Connacht coach was highly critical of touch judges when his side travelled to play Cardiff in Wales a few weeks ago, claiming local officials should not have been given an opportunity to officiate at the game.

                  In the Heineken Cup, there are always neutral officials, both in refereeing and touch-judge terms. @@@@/SPAN>


                  @@@@SPAN =article>@@@@/SPAN>@@@@SPAN =article>Last night, as Munster lost to Gwent Dragons, stand-in captain Foley also remarked that the Scottish referee had, as his assistants, two Welsh touch-judges.

                  Foley insisted that this was not right: “It is essential that professional people are in charge of a professional tournament.

                  “I agree with what Michael Bradley said a couple of weeks ago. It’s not fair on the officials concerned and it certainly is not fair on the referee, who should be working with his touch-judges as a team,” he said.

                  Foley was disappointed with Munster’s defeat last night but stressed that it wasn’t a disastrous performance.

                  “We had a great opportunity to win the game, we weren’t that far away from doing so and we can go on from here.

                  “Even when we were seven points down near the end, we still felt confident that we might come back to snatch a draw.

                  “Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way and, I suppose, you’re always playing catch up.

                  “When that happens you tend to lose the drift,” he said. @@@@/SPAN>


                  @@@@SPAN =article>from Irish Examiner
                  @@@@SPAN =article>Click here<A> for irishexaminer.com stories before this date@@@@/SPAN>@@@@/SPAN>

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                    #10
                    Whilst the Celtic league has taken huge strides forward in the past six months or so there are still an number of outstanding issues that need to be sorted. And close to the top of this list has got to be the refereeing standards...<!-
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                      #11


                      the ref really was a shocker, playing away from home you are never going to get certain calls, like when axel was taken out it was done on the far side from where the ref was, in front of a home town he would never call that


                      their outhalf sweeney put in two very high tackels the second of which a penalty was awarded for, but after two high tackels by the same player he should be seeing yellow


                      paulie was dead right about the maul, that it was just obstruction, and when he went around the back of a ruck late in the game it was because the scrum half had played the ball


                      then they missed the fact that it should have been munsters lineout towards the end when dowling got peanalised... inexperience by dowling but he was mighty frustrated at that stage


                      with the exception of foley i dont think any other players were talking to the ref, (except paulie when he came on) something that strings, rog and some other first choice player do very well, i guess this is experience that needs to be learned.


                      but all in all we didnt deserve to win, they kept us scoreless for the 2nd half, and we didnt take the chances we had. i dont rate this new hooker, not just because of the sinbinning, dodgy throws to,butthe soonerjerry is back the better.


                      but then again i dont think mafi grounded properly either for his first, o leary has a long way to go to fill stringers shoes, he getscaught with the ball to much at scrums, mauls, if he is even trying to he might stick to the wing (but he did put in a great effort), and i dont rate the puc either, he seems to relaxed on the field, coming across thedefensive kine and not making tackles, f**king daydreaming.


                      but overall i think the game was very positive, cullen played well when needed, halstead was outstanding but limped off (worringly)cullen had one greatcatch, chip and run, would like to see him come into the attacking line more though, foley played the game out and did well, marcus went off but not injured as far as i could see, manning took a big hit but didnt seem to be an injury, just a big knock,micko i though wasour man of the match, and o leary and manning combined very well for the first half for probably the first time.


                      but i reckon it was just plain experience at crucial timesthat lost us the game,the replacement out half went for3 points just past halfway, a very hard kick as he was only on the field, which must have ruined his confidence, as he missed two others which were much easier,hindsight is great but he shouldhave gone for the corner the first time, not talking to the ref constantly until POC cameon, and donnocha ryan getting sinbinned ruined the lineout at a crucial time, againa more experiencedryan will neverdo that again, he was kicking himself the second he did it, we needed a try with about 9 minutes to go and the team started panicking, got a lineout in their corner and the throw was for the back, again experience would have that at one or two, not at the back, overthrown and one of their forwards made 20 - 30 yards before micko got back to tackle him (fair play micko) after there were 2/3 missed tackles on him.


                      Overall it gives them a lot to work on, and makes kidney have an easier job of picking his first team as very few players except micko, cullenand mafi showed that they might be able to out perform the o callaghan, payne or murphy, but i dont see (barring halstead being injured) many changes from the starting line up from the cardiff match...... see you in geneva

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                        #12
                        The refereeing was poor, but no sympathy for a team who treats the league with such distain, A real kick in the teeth for Connacht. [img]smileys/sad.gif[/img]
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                          #13


                          Originally posted by thisyear?
                          Whilst the Celtic league has taken huge strides forward in the past six months or so there are still an number of outstanding issues that need to be sorted. And close to the top of this list has got to be the refereeing standards...<!-
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                            #14


                            Dave, S14 still has reffing issues.


                            Real issue hereis that for the CL/ML to be treated seriously it has got to get it's house in order. Top of that is thereffing fiasco. It's well documented, and makes the a laughing-stock of the competition. It would not be tolerated in the GP, it wouldn't be tolerated in the Munster cup. I'd say they wouldn't tolerate it either in the Leinster Junior schools.

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                              #15


                              Originally posted by daveirl
                              He let a drop goal be scored directly from a scrum which to the best of my knowledge is against the laws of the game.

                              Complete and utter tosh. You're probably thinking of a fre kick.
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