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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>Independent Citing Commissioners needed@@@@/SPAN>
    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>I think we are at a stage where we need independent citing commissioners, for the Magners League. Just as many teams use the concussion "get-outs" too easily, teams (individuals) are beginning to see the derby matches as an excuse to settle old scores from previous matches. @@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>Why has this been happening ? Quite simply because, the same country referees are appointed for matches between clubs of the same country, in the Magners League. One suspects that alot of this has to do with cost, but perhaps also to reduce the travel for referees at holiday time. Either way, sending offs and citings do not appear to be happening with the frequency of other Magners League matches or Heineken Cup matches.@@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>As a consequence, players are starting to realise that they can stamp (or worse) with impunity due to what seems like an unwritten rule by the referees to go “easy” on punishments. It is ironic that there is such a collective myopia when it comes to spotting foul play, while they are sponsored by Specsavers. The Guide Dogs might be a more appropriate sponsor. @@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>In one case a player elbows another player in the face in front of the referee, yet the referee completely misses it. It was captured on TV, yet no citing is made. There is also a culpability by both teams in that case, in not citing but also the offending club in not internally dealing with the matter, at the very least. There are many other examples, and it is not limited to Ireland either. @@@@/SPAN>@@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>The recent case involving Martyn Williams shows that the same issues are alive in Welsh rugby as well.@@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>I suspect that this has come down from Rugby Union level to the Referees Association, as they want their players available for Internationals/Heineken Cup, but it is having a knock on effect on player discipline. The raking of Ian Dowling’s face by Bernard Jackman in the recent Munster v Leinster match is a very topical example. In a Heineken Cup match, this would have been a certain citing and suspension. I am sure Leinster/Ulster etc have plenty of examples as well. @@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>I would fear that if this is allowed to continue unchecked, a serious injury is sure to follow. Apart from the completely unnecessary injury to the player, the Union and the Magners League are leaving themselves wide open to be sued, as I am sure the stats of Red cards and Citings are way lower than Inter-Country Magners matches, Heineken matches or International matches.@@@@/SPAN>
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    @@@@SPAN lang=EN-GB>If in the short term it is not financially feasible to have Independent Citing Commissioners at each match, then an Independent Citing Commission should review tv footage for obvious foul play, centrally. Referees should a

    #2
    Can you cite a smilie attack?
    "We are going to hope to keep improving the environment in Munster. It’s about improving and setting standards where players and coaches can improve. Hopefully we can offer that more than just money.” Johann Van Graan 20/12/2017

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      #3
      It will take a serious injury before anything is done, the political will just
      isn't there.
      It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.

      Every plan I have is the best plan in the room. Everybody get quiet and listen to it, and everybody will win

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        #4


        Originally posted by FORWARD....
        Can you cite a smilie attack?

        Dunno what you mean [img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]

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          #5
          Originally posted by Point


          Originally posted by FORWARD....
          Can you cite a smilie attack?

          Dunno what you mean [img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]


          Damned evidence tampering[img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]
          "We are going to hope to keep improving the environment in Munster. It’s about improving and setting standards where players and coaches can improve. Hopefully we can offer that more than just money.” Johann Van Graan 20/12/2017

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            #6


            Your article does have mereit...and I persume its smth that will come as the ML grows....


            I have to disagree on the point that cost may be prohibitive.Getting 1 extra person to a game can not be that expensive!
            Seas suas agus troid!

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              #7
              Originally posted by LLCOOLJ14


              Your article does have mereit...and I persume its smth that will come as the ML grows....


              I have to disagree on the point that cost may be prohibitive.Getting 1 extra person to a game can not be that expensive!


              To be truely independent, the commissioner should be from a country not of either participating teams which would incur Transport/Accom/Meal costs on top of paying the person for their time. Add that per match over the season and it would add up. At the moment in inter-country matches, the touchjudges are local, as only the ref is brought in.

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                #8
                It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

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                  #9


                  Originally posted by epaddy
                  It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

                  Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.

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                    #10

                    Originally posted by Point

                    Originally posted by epaddy
                    It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite
                    players in inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the
                    situation

                    Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to
                    haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well
                    behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp
                    themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but
                    the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.


                    I agree with you but the reality is this league is half arsed. Our Union dont seem to want it to suceed.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by epaddy
                      Originally posted by Point


                      Originally posted by epaddy
                      It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

                      Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.

                      I agree with you but the reality is this league is half arsed. Our Union dont seem to want it to suceed.

                      They have simply prioritised Ireland within the calendar structure that we have to operate in. The Welsh have prioritised their regions, which is there we have the central contracts v club contracts issue.

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                        #12

                        Originally posted by Point
                        Originally posted by epaddy
                        Originally posted by Point


                        Originally posted by epaddy
                        It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in
                        inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

                        Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to
                        haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well
                        behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp
                        themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but
                        the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.

                        I agree with you but the reality is this league is half arsed. Our Union dont seem to want it to suceed.

                        They have simply prioritised Ireland within the calendar structure
                        that we have to operate in. The Welsh have prioritised their regions,
                        which is there we have the central contracts v club contracts issue.


                        Yeh but thats no reason not to have TV ref, stadiums clocks, neutral
                        TJs, decent refs, no sponsorship for years, unfair league, funding one
                        team less then the others etc

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by epaddy
                          Originally posted by Point
                          Originally posted by epaddy
                          Originally posted by Point


                          Originally posted by epaddy
                          It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

                          Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.

                          I agree with you but the reality is this league is half arsed. Our Union dont seem to want it to suceed.

                          They have simply prioritised Ireland within the calendar structure that we have to operate in. The Welsh have prioritised their regions, which is there we have the central contracts v club contracts issue.

                          Yeh but thats no reason not to have TV ref, stadiums clocks, neutral TJs, decent refs, no sponsorship for years, unfair league, funding one team less then the others etc

                          TV ref - Cost


                          stadiums clocks - [img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]Tradishoon,


                          neutral TJs - Cost,


                          decent refs - Lack of peanuts to train monkeys,


                          no sponsorship for years - Mostly IRFUs fault/partly WRUs fault in last couple of years,


                          unfair league - neither is life[img]smileys/wink.gif[/img],


                          funding one team less then the others - once a necessity, now a useful convenience.

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                            #14

                            Originally posted by Point
                            Originally posted by epaddy
                            Originally posted by Point
                            Originally posted by epaddy
                            Originally posted by Point


                            Originally posted by epaddy
                            It is not in the IRFUs interest to cite players in
                            inter pros. While that may be wrong its the reality of the situation

                            Nor the SRUs or WRUs but this is something that will come back to
                            haunt them if it isn't tackled soon. Irish players are generally well
                            behaved in other matches, why should they be expected to be a law untp
                            themselves in derby matches. Yes, you are right, it is the reality but
                            the reality of a player being seriously hurt can't be far off either.

                            I agree with you but the reality is this league is half arsed. Our Union dont seem to want it to suceed.

                            They have simply prioritised Ireland within the calendar structure
                            that we have to operate in. The Welsh have prioritised their regions,
                            which is there we have the central contracts v club contracts issue.

                            Yeh but thats no reason not to have TV ref, stadiums
                            clocks, neutral TJs, decent refs, no sponsorship for years, unfair
                            league, funding one team less then the others etc

                            TV ref - Cost


                            stadiums clocks - [img]smileys/biggrin.gif[/img]Tradishoon,


                            neutral TJs - Cost,


                            decent refs - Lack of peanuts to train monkeys,


                            no sponsorship for years - Mostly IRFUs fault/partly WRUs fault in last couple of years,


                            unfair league - neither is life[img]smileys/wink.gif[/img],


                            funding one team less then the others - once a necessity, now a useful convenience.


                            Oh I know the reasons. Just makes the league a farce.

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                              #15


                              Originally posted by epaddy
                              Oh I know the reasons. Just makes the league a farce.

                              It may look a bit like that when compared to the GP but the GP is longer on the road than the ML and had a lot of issues (still has a few like no relegation/promotion and owners v RFU) during the last number of years. Welsh & Scottish Rugby have been in rag order for quite a while, but even if we all get to central contracts, the current calendar structure means that a percentage of the ML will be matches without the best players, indeed the likes of BOD will only play 25 matches a years meaning only 10-12 ML matches. One solution would be to go to 10 match league instead of 20 matches, though I could see the Welsh not agreeing to that.

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