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    Two refs won't ever be implemented in lower levels, there isn't enough lads who want to ref as it is
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      Originally posted by buster View Post
      Thanks for the welcome diversion from all of the other nonsense!

      Have I interpreted this correctly. I'm a defending forward. An attacker makes a line break and is tackled. Second attacking player goes over the ball. Breakdown is now formed. To join, instead of having to come around to the hindmost foot, I have to run one metre past the ruck and can then enter from wherever I like? If I defend pillar, I have to stand 1m behind the ruck?

      If that's correct my biggest issue is that 1m is hard to define in your head in live play. Also you'd have a disconnect between senior and junior level where second referees would most likely be unavailable and the 1m line impossible to ref.
      Yeah It seems to me that way and it just would lead to more frustration with referees which isn't needed!!!

      Originally posted by Viigand View Post
      The assistant referees are currently only there for decoration.
      Not at all. Could be better but theyre better than that

      Originally posted by sewa View Post
      Two refs won't ever be implemented in lower levels, there isn't enough lads who want to ref as it is
      Yep. 2 refs would only be seen at pro game tbh and maybe maybe the very top of club game. We don't have enough referees to cover everything by a long shot as it is - there is plenty of weeks in the season where adult games don't always have a referee appointed....

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        Originally posted by sewa View Post
        Two refs won't ever be implemented in lower levels, there isn't enough lads who want to ref as it is
        Lucky to even get one ffffing ref at u13 youths
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          Originally posted by Sulla View Post
          Lucky to even get one ffffing ref at u13 youths
          And plenty of higher grades depending on the weekend

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            Saw an interesting one recently in the PRL iirc, a ball grubbered through towards the corner, hits the corner flag flush and gets knocked back in play, then the attacking winger comes up and touches it down. Outcome!?
            ( it was a bit of eye opener for a player of my genre)
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              Originally posted by Daithi View Post
              Saw an interesting one recently in the PRL iirc, a ball grubbered through towards the corner, hits the corner flag flush and gets knocked back in play, then the attacking winger comes up and touches it down. Outcome!?
              ( it was a bit of eye opener for a player of my genre)
              Try.
              Corner flag has been 'in play' since 08/09 season set of law trials/changes and was kept.

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                Originally posted by buster View Post
                Thanks for the welcome diversion from all of the other nonsense!

                Have I interpreted this correctly. I'm a defending forward. An attacker makes a line break and is tackled. Second attacking player goes over the ball. Breakdown is now formed. To join, instead of having to come around to the hindmost foot, I have to run one metre past the ruck and can then enter from wherever I like? If I defend pillar, I have to stand 1m behind the ruck?

                If that's correct my biggest issue is that 1m is hard to define in your head in live play. Also you'd have a disconnect between senior and junior level where second referees would most likely be unavailable and the 1m line impossible to ref.

                You can also be blind sided dangerously (is there any other type) by a clearout... could get messy...
                He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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                  New Law Trials

                  World Rugby has confirmed more fascinating law trials for 2016

                  The offside line will be one metre back from a new ‘breakdown,’ with two referees on the pitch.
                  http://www.the42.ie/mitre-10-cup-rug...31782-Jan2016/
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                  WORLD RUGBY HAS confirmed that some fairly radical law trials will take place in New Zealand’s Mitre 10 Cup – one level below Super Rugby – in 2016.
                  Division 1A of Ireland’s Ulster Bank League is also set to trial the variations to rugby’s tackle and breakdown laws, while the FFR’s U18 League has been signed up too.
                  The NZRU is understood to have pushed for these trial laws.
                  Source: World Rugby/Richard Heathcote/INPHO

                  So what’s involved?
                  The offside line will be one metre back from the ruck in these trials, rather than the back foot of the ruck as currently applies.
                  The trials also see the breakdown become part of the law, forming the offside line as soon as only one attacking player arrives over the tackle on his feet. There will be no need for a defensive player to engage and form a ruck, thereby creating the offside line, as is currently the case.
                  The rights of the tackler will be reduced under the trial laws.
                  The Mitre 10 Cup will also see two referees on the pitch in order to police the above as accurately as possible, although the IRFU and FFR have not signed up to trial that element at this stage. The assistant referees on the touchline are set to police the new offside line in those union’s competitions.
                  Let’s take a more detailed look at each element of the trials.
                  Breakdown
                  As things stand in rugby, the ‘breakdown’ is not part of the law book. It’s a term we use all the time when discussing the game, but it’s not actually written into World Rugby’s law book.
                  Under the current laws, a ‘ruck’ must form in order to create the offside line. That means at least one player from each team on their feet, engaged and in competition over the ball. That forms a ruck, thereby creating the offside line.
                  The main issue with the need for a ruck to form the offside line is that defending teams can opt not to engage after a tackle has been completed. If there’s no defensive player engaged with an attacker on their feet over the ball, there’s no ruck.
                  It would be fascinating to see how strong jackaling players like Sean O'Brien would adapt to the law trials.
                  Source: Billy Stickland/INPHO

                  That means no offside line. Intelligent teams exploit this and it’s one of the reasons why supporters regularly shout ‘Offside!’ when watching games. Sometimes the defensive team simply isn’t offside, because no ruck has been formed.
                  Under these new trial laws, a “breakdown” will in turn form the offside line. A breakdown will form when “at least one player from the attacking team is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground.”
                  Once the new breakdown is formed, no player may handle the ball apart from the half-back, who can pass, run or kick.
                  Along with the breakdown, the laws around how defensive players can join it are notable.
                  All arriving players must come from an onside position, i.e. one metre behind the breakdown.
                  The ‘gate’ is a term we frequently use when talking about rugby, but again it’s not something that is actually written in the law book. Either way, the gate is not going to apply under these trial laws.
                  As long as the defensive player joins the breakdown from an onside position and enters from their side of the breakdown mid-point, they can come from any angle.
                  Tackle
                  Essentially, the tweaks to rugby’s tackle law under these trials will mean that the tackler can only play the ball after returning to his feet and to his side of the breakdown mid-point.
                  Under the current laws, a defender can complete a tackle, return swiftly to his feet and pick up the ball from anywhere, as long as a ruck has not formed yet.
                  We see an example of that below.

                  And from another angle below.

                  In this instance, Gloucester’s Matt Kvesic is entitled to play the ball because he has returned to his feet and a ruck has not formed before he plays the ball.
                  There is one Harlequins player over the tackle point, but under current laws that does not mean a ruck, so Kvesic is onside and legal.
                  Under the law trials, Kvesic would have to get out of the breakdown area here and retreat a metre back with the rest of his teammates to get onside.
                  Even if the Harlequins player was not present over the tackle point, Kvesic would have to get back to his side of the breakdown mid-point before playing the ball.
                  The type of turnover we see in the clips above is one of the ugliest elements of the game in many people’s eyes and it will essentially be eradicated in these trials.
                  Under these trials, the assist tackler must continue to make a clear release of the tackled player and remain on their feet in order to play the ball before an attacking player arrives to create a breakdown.
                  Once that attacking player arrives and a breakdown is formed, no player can handle the ball.
                  Trials upon trials
                  It’s also worth nothing that the Mitre 10 Cup will feature a new points-scoring system in 2016, as will a number of other competitions around the world.
                  • A penalty try will be worth eight points (no conversion necessary)
                  • A try will be worth six points
                  • A conversion will be worth two points
                  • A penalty will be worth two points
                  • A drop goal will be worth two points

                  All in all, it should make for a fascinating season in New Zealand’s domestic competition, which has long been one of the most exciting in the professional game.
                  2016 will also see the Pacific Challenge, U20 Trophy, Tbilisi Cup, Nations Cup, FFR Academy league, Australian NRC, Welsh Premiership and Colleges championship, and the RFU Army Premiership act as testing grounds for some further interesting new law trials.
                  Read more about those here.
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                    With the new scoring system, a team will be even more encouraged to give away two to save six or eight instead of giving away three to save five or seven.

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                      No more odd scores either. Makes the likelihood of a draw greater (nudges Piquet?)
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                        Also theres so much knockonery in that Kvesic turnover its not even true, chief know it all Barnes ignores the KO
                        Last edited by Cowboy; 5th-January-2016, 15:39.
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                          Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                          With the new scoring system, a team will be even more encouraged to give away two to save six or eight instead of giving away three to save five or seven.
                          Penalty fest from here on, also the death knell for drop goals:-(
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                            The value of a good tighthead just went up
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                              So am I right in saying that these new laws effectively eliminate the contested breakdown? I'm all for moving the off side line back a meter but if the defending team can't contest for possession after the tackle surely we are just playing rugby league? Or am I missing something?

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                                WTF!?
                                "The type of turnover we see in the clips above is one of the ugliest elements of the game in many people’s eyes and it will essentially be eradicated in these trials."

                                This is a fundamental aspect of the game!!!!!!!

                                Rugby league mentality indeed!

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