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    A quick query ;
    I presume they are talking about introducing these proposed law changes after Rwc 19?

    and hopefully, commencing with a trial period in some lower / university league to fully assess the likely outcomes??
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      Originally posted by Daithi View Post
      A quick query ;
      I presume they are talking about introducing these proposed law changes after Rwc 19?

      and hopefully, commencing with a trial period in some lower / university league to fully assess the likely outcomes??
      Of course. Will be after world cup. Just like past few world cups and trialled in similar competitions as then.
      Trialled in club/university/lower pro level comps in different countries and then if successful likely go on global trial

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        One thing that seems to be happening a lot more recently is that the jackal is not trying to contest the ball but wrap tackled player and ball in an effort to win a not releasing penalty.

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          The NZH has a report on a Club game in Dunedin where, late in the game, the Ref called over a player and his captain. He issued a Red Card and was punched by the player.

          The article continues:

          "The incident has been reported and a hearing will take place.

          Possible further action may be considered. "

          PK's emphasis.

          Now I have had disagreements with Referees over the years here and elsewhere, but as far as I'm concerned, any player who strikes an Official must never be allowed to play the game again
          Last edited by Piquet; 29-July-2019, 19:17.

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            Originally posted by Piquet View Post
            The NZH has a report on a Club game in Dunedin where, late in the game, the Ref called over a player and his captain. He issued a Red Card and was punched by the player.

            The article continues:

            "The incident has been reported and a hearing will take place.

            Possible further action may be considered. "

            PK's emphasis.

            Now I have had disagreements with Referees over the years here and elsewhere, but as far as I'm concerned, any player who strikes an Official must never be allowed to play the game again
            That’s a bit harsh, someone might give Ben Whitehouse a dig someday and should be rewarded for it.

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              Ah no, Lar. Even he must be protected, annoying and all as he is.

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                Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                Ah no, Lar. Even he must be protected, annoying and all as he is.
                We will have to agree to disagree so.

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                  Just watching the Wales-Fiji game on delay, and 20 minutes in there was chat on the commentary about the laws pertaining to the forward pass - apparently the "movement of the hands" thing is gone now, and it's back to a simple decision as to whether the direction of travel of the ball is towards the opposition tryline. Maybe the rest of ye were aware of this, but it had passed me by!
                  Tis but a scratch.

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                    and they are still getting it wrong

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                      Were they .... Welsh... or Scottish commentators???
                      "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                      Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                      Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                        Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                        Just watching the Wales-Fiji game on delay, and 20 minutes in there was chat on the commentary about the laws pertaining to the forward pass - apparently the "movement of the hands" thing is gone now, and it's back to a simple decision as to whether the direction of travel of the ball is towards the opposition tryline. Maybe the rest of ye were aware of this, but it had passed me by!
                        yeah it changed. Better off for change.

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                          Somebody should tell Owen Doyle - Irish Times today.

                          ''Unexpectedly, forward passes must be referenced. Very marginal calls have suddenly appeared and we have listened to match officials referencing the whitewashed lines to assist in making these judgements. It’s wrong and officials are in danger of misleading themselves.

                          Here’s why:

                          If the ball carrier crosses, for example, the opponents’ 22m line as he passes the ball, laterally or backwards to a teammate, then that ball will often be caught on the far side of the 22m line.

                          It’s called relative velocity – the ball will naturally travel forward over the ground, because the player is running forward. If a tackle stops the ball carrier in his tracks the visual effect is greater.

                          Assistants who are standing still need to think very carefully about calling these, they seem drawn to watching the flight of the ball. And when the assistant is running with play he has the correct perspective and not calling. TMOs need to take care over persuasive intrusion.

                          Utilising a convenient white line to decide or assist the decision is wrong.

                          The only criterion for judging a pass to be forward is “did the ball leave the passer’s hands in a forward direction?”

                          If not, get on with it, play on.''

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                            Only getting to watch the Scotland v France game now. In the 19th minute, France take a restart and on commentary Brian Moore - who is a qualified referee - makes the following observation.
                            "Well that kickoff was taken three yards in front, with the French players five yards in front of the halfway ... It's another one of these things where referees are now saying 'does it matter?' Well, one, it's a law, so yes it does matter, and two, it is obviously better if you can take a five yard start chasing a kick!"
                            At a subsequent ruck, as France are given a turnover penalty - "Three French players were about four yards offside then ... Well good work over the ball there, but if the officials had looked left OR right, they would have seen several French players offside."

                            I often think Moore is superior to most other commentators, and this is one example of why I think that. Wish he could ref a few games at Pro14/HEC level.

                            Also - at a subsequent scrum, he brought a grin to my face when he came out with "Pre-engage ... pre-nuptial, whatever you want to say with Joe Marler yesterday ..."
                            Tis but a scratch.

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                              Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                              Only getting to watch the Scotland v France game now. In the 19th minute, France take a restart and on commentary Brian Moore - who is a qualified referee - makes the following observation.
                              "Well that kickoff was taken three yards in front, with the French players five yards in front of the halfway ... It's another one of these things where referees are now saying 'does it matter?' Well, one, it's a law, so yes it does matter, and two, it is obviously better if you can take a five yard start chasing a kick!"
                              At a subsequent ruck, as France are given a turnover penalty - "Three French players were about four yards offside then ... Well good work over the ball there, but if the officials had looked left OR right, they would have seen several French players offside."

                              I often think Moore is superior to most other commentators, and this is one example of why I think that. Wish he could ref a few games at Pro14/HEC level.

                              Also - at a subsequent scrum, he brought a grin to my face when he came out with "Pre-engage ... pre-nuptial, whatever you want to say with Joe Marler yesterday ..."
                              is Moore an active ref? He did course and may have reffed some games but how often is he reffing now and is he involved in his local society attending meetings, workshops. Big difference in doing course reffing some games, being lapsed member and someone who attends regular weekly or monthly meetings and read and gets assessed/coached.
                              It's very easy from the sofa to call things. The game is complex. Sometimes you just have to ignore some law infringements. Otherwise we should just go way of American football with 3 hour long games and refs stop everything

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                                Yes, the opinion of Brian Moore sitting on his sofa with his 64 caps for England and 5 Lions appearances and having qualified as a ref in 2010 holds no weight.
                                Tis but a scratch.

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