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    #16
    I think That change was made after blood gate.

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      #17
      Senario:
      Player has one foot in touch and one in field of play. Catches kick from outside 22 or kick off on the full. scrum or lineout back level with kick location.
      However, if the player knocks the ball on what is the rule. My thinking is as above, as once the ball touches someone in touch its in touch. I ask as I have seen refs give a knock on and I think this is wrong. Opinions please or the "Law".

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        #18
        Originally posted by Intercept View Post
        Senario:
        Player has one foot in touch and one in field of play. Catches kick from outside 22 or kick off on the full. scrum or lineout back level with kick location.
        However, if the player knocks the ball on what is the rule. My thinking is as above, as once the ball touches someone in touch its in touch. I ask as I have seen refs give a knock on and I think this is wrong. Opinions please or the "Law".
        One foot in touch is the same as standing in touch. The ball was in touch before being knocked on.

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          #19
          Law Changes Again

          Not sure exactly where to put this but here seems as good a place as any. World Rugby have announced new law trials again. What do we think:

          World Rugby have announced a new set of law trials that will be tested in domestic competition over the coming seasons.

          There are a wide range of new laws being trialled, with among the most eye-catching, a change in scoring in which tries are worth six points and penalties just two, as is being tried in Wales at the moment.
          Every four years, rugby’s governing body undertakes a complete health-check of the game’s playing trends across the Rugby World Cup cycle to ensure that the sport continues to develop at all levels around the world. This extensive process is undertaken with full union consultation.
          The approval of the package of law trials by the World Rugby Executive Committee, follows detailed analysis and evaluation of union submissions by the specialist Law Review Group (LRG), Scrum Steering Group (SSG) and the Multi-Disciplinary Injury Prevention Group (MDIPG) over the past five months and is the third of a seven-phase process of law change.
          World Rugby’s Pacific Challenge, U20 Trophy, Tbilisi Cup and Nations Cup in 2016 will trial the full package of law amendments, while the first trials are underway with the Principality Cup in Wales and the National Rugby Championship in Australia. A full inventory of competitions will be released in due course.
          LRG and Rugby Committee Chairman John Jeffrey said: "World Rugby is committed to continual review and assessment of the laws of the game to ensure that rugby is enjoyable to watch and play and is as safe to play as possible at all levels, from the elite, professional tier right down to community and youth rugby.
          "This important process occurs after every Rugby World Cup and is an opportunity to take stock, review the laws, drawing on expert input and make changes where needed with those who play and support the game and ongoing prosperity of the sport in mind.
          "It is great to see our unions and associations making such a strong contribution to this process, while the level of expertise and discussion from our expert group when considering the submissions was very impressive. While this is not a fait accompli, we are excited by the package of trials and look forward to detailed coach, player and fan feedback."


          Main World Rugby Law Trials:

          • Penalties awarded after time has expired can be kicked to touch and the lineout will be played.
          • Teams can choose which advantage they want to play if a side infringes on multiple occasions.
          • Revised points scoring: Six points for a try, two points for a conversion, two points for a penalty.
          • No conversions after a penalty try, which is automatically worth eight points.
          • A maul must start to move within five seconds or the ball must be used.
          • A player who plays the ball while his foot is in touch but before the ball has crossed the plane of the touchline is deemed to have carried the ball into touch.
          • Scrum changes allowing a scrum-half to stand with his shoulder level with the centre of the scrum, promoting scrum stability.
          • The introduction of a five-metre line drop-out as an alternative to a five-metre scrum for a defending team.
          For me, I like the lineout after time expires rule. I thought the maul and the carried into touch rules were already there and I don't like the 5 metre drop out rule. Haven't decided on the rest yet.

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            #20
            Sorry. Link here:

            http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,2..._78289,00.html

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              #21
              Hmmm. Not sure about scoring. 6-3-2 maybe. Unless they are tough with yellows for penalties in danger areas I think penalties shouldn't be devalued
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                #22
                I don't understand the changes to the scoring values.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
                  Hmmm. Not sure about scoring. 6-3-2 maybe. Unless they are tough with yellows for penalties in danger areas I think penalties shouldn't be devalued
                  Was thinking the same myself but I also get that they're trying to encourage more adventure and try scoring. 6 points for a try and 2 points for a penalty is really asking for cynicism in defence though.

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                    #24
                    I like them all to one degree or another..... It's obvious that they are trying to promote a certain type of game, or at least increase the emphasis on a certain type of game.

                    However while it's a worthy idea it does nothing to challenge the primary obstacle to such a playing style in the modern game......SPACE.

                    Lack of space is the primary obstacle, especially at Test level, to dynamic running Rugby geared towards try scoring..... Open play, off the cuff exciting play.

                    As opposed to up the jumper 9/ 10 man rugby playing for Penalty after Penalty or just winning by scoring penos
                    Last edited by Corcíoch; 10th-September-2015, 18:41.

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                      #25
                      So what are peoples thoughts on these new proposals from World Rugby??
                      The changes are on the link below and will be trialled this season and any deemed successful will be looked at globally for the 16-17 season
                      http://www.worldrugby.org/news/90108

                      http://pulse-static-files.s3.amazona...Law_Trials.pdf

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                        #26
                        The scrumhalf rule, is that just legalising the crooked feed? It's essentially removing any possibility of a strike against the head right? As a 9 myself I shouldn't complain too much but to be honest I don't like that one bit.

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                          #27
                          Could a mod merge this into the laws thread in rugby in praxis??? This is ideal topic for that thread?????
                          MOD - Done.

                          Don't mind most of those proposals...

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                            #28
                            Like 1,2 & 4
                            Not sure about 3 the reduction on pens points value. I'd be inclined to think it encourages cheating. If conceding 3 points is often seen as better than conceding 7 now I think 2 points will be an even easier option. Also takes the emphasis away from having specialist kickers in the side and will speed up the move to have 15 bosh merchants in the team
                            5 I thought this was pretty much in practice already
                            6 I think current rule is fine no need to change.
                            7 can't see the point
                            For 8 I dont see what what this gives the attacking team unless they get choice.

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                              #29
                              For those with doubts about the new scoring laws, it has been trialed in the NRC in Australia at the moment.

                              Personally I don't like it as kicking as an art form itself and should not be lost. The Aussies are bad enough at kicking as it is without giving them another excuse!

                              I digress..........with the current scoring, teams are happy to concede 3 rather than 7 and opposition are happy to get points on the board as 3 is pretty close to the 5 (possibly 7). With the new scoring, every kick goes to touch 5 metres out as nobody bothers with the 2 points kick at goal which is resulting in a larger number of tries. Teams are now actually more wary about being cynical as rather than being happy to concede 3 they are not very wary of the likelihood of conceding 6 off a 5m lineout instead.

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                                #30
                                I know it may sound silly, but I'd like to move all conversions for tries towards the centre of the posts. The idea of the conversion having to match the location of the touchdown of the ball is lovely, but, for some reason seems antiquated in my mind. Let a try stand out for itself. Goes against all I know as the game, but maybe time to move on.

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