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    Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
    From memory, he threw it both sideways and slightly forwards, so it would have crossed the touchline on about the 5 metre mark.
    Ah so to avoid the possibility of kicking it dead? Well there must be a new law because deliberately throwing the ball or knocking it out of play by hand is a penalty offence.
    He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is.

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      Why are Referees told when they are going to be assessed ? Would it not be better practice to be assess them when they're not expecting it ? I forever hear people talking about Refs that cheat their teams in certain games etc. If there are cheating Refs, can they not be weeded out?

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        Originally posted by Brian Boru View Post
        Why are Referees told when they are going to be assessed? Would it not be better practice to be assess them when they're not expecting it? I forever hear people talking about Refs that cheat their teams in certain games etc. If there are cheating Refs, can they not be weeded out?
        They are told but both should happen. A referee should have some games assessed where they don't find out until they meet assessor right before or after game and then other games where they know beforehand(as soon as appointments are made.
        You will always hear of people saying there team was cheated but most often theyre not cheated. Poor referees are moved around until theres a level found that theyre suitable for

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          Can a team in possession be penalised for pulling down their own maul?
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            Originally posted by Sulla View Post
            Can a team in possession be penalised for pulling down their own maul?

            In theory, yes. It's still dangerous play.

            Similarly, a team can be penalised for not bringing their own player to ground when lifted (line-out or kick-off etc), and a player can be penalised for punching/striking his own team-mate.
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              http://www.worldrugby.org/news/165437

              Northern hemisphere to come into line with minor law amendments next month

              Already in place in southern hemisphere, the minor law changes will be globally applied from 1 July.


              A number of minor law amendments, approved and announced in September 2015, come into effect from 1 July in the northern hemisphere having already been implemented in the southern hemisphere since the start of the year.
              The June tests will be played under the current laws of the game, with the exception of the maul application guideline, which applies from 1 June (see below). Any international tournament that begins in June but overlaps into July will be played under current law.
              The implementation of the package of law amendments by World Rugby Council follows detailed analysis and evaluation of union submissions by the specialist Law Review Group (LRG) which reports to the Rugby Committee. This evaluation process also featured specialist input from the Scrum Steering Group (SSG) and the Multi-Disciplinary Injury Prevention Group (MDIPG) over the past year and is the next phase of the law change process.
              The main amendments are:
              • The replacement of a player injured following foul play does not count as one of the allotted number of replacements available to that team
              • Advantage may be played following a scrum collapse if there is no risk to player safety
              • Play acting or “simulation” is specifically outlawed in the game in a move that formalises resistance to a practice that has been creeping into the game in recent years. Any player who dives or feigns injury in an effort to influence the match officials will be liable for sanction
              • Teams must be ready to form a scrum within 30 seconds of the scrum being awarded, unless the referee stops the clock for an injury or another stoppage
              • At a re-set scrum following a 90-degree wheel, the ball is thrown in by the team that previously threw it in rather than the team not in possession
              • The scrum-half of the team not in possession at a scrum may not move into the space between the flanker and number eight
              • When the ball has been at the number eight’s feet in a stationary scrum for 3-5 seconds, the referee will call “use it” and the attacking team must use the ball immediately

              CLICK HERE FOR THE MINOR LAW AMENDMENTS >>
              In addition, an important maul law application guideline, that has been in place in the southern hemisphere since 1 January, will be enforced in the north from 1 June. Specifically, the ball can be moved backwards hand-to-hand once the maul has formed. A player is not allowed to move or slide to the back of the maul when he is in possession of the ball and the ripper needs to stay in contact with the jumper until they have transferred the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

              CLICK HERE FOR MORE ON THE MAUL LAW >>

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                • Play acting or “simulation” is specifically outlawed in the game in a move that formalises resistance to a practice that has been creeping into the game in recent years. Any player who dives or feigns injury in an effort to influence the match officials will be liable for sanction
                • What sanction? Penalty or free kick?
                • Teams must be ready to form a scrum within 30 seconds of the scrum being awarded, unless the referee stops the clock for an injury or another stoppage
                • This won't be enforced, the refs like the break as much as the players



                • At a re-set scrum following a 90-degree wheel, the ball is thrown in by the team that previously threw it in rather than the team not in possession
                • This is crasy, the stronger scrums get penalised again



                In addition, an important maul law application guideline, that has been in place in the southern hemisphere since 1 January, will be enforced in the north from 1 June. Specifically, the ball can be moved backwards hand-to-hand once the maul has formed. A player is not allowed to move or slide to the back of the maul when he is in possession of the ball and the ripper needs to stay in contact with the jumper until they have transferred the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

                I love way they snook in this ''minor'' one. Its very hard to see how this will be enforced
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                  Theyd do well to clamp down on head patting, interaction/engagement with touch judges, and waving of cards.
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                    Originally posted by sewa View Post
                    • Teams must be ready to form a scrum within 30 seconds of the scrum being awarded, unless the referee stops the clock for an injury or another stoppage
                    • This won't be enforced, The intent is right. There's a lot of messing around when play stops for a scrum that could be cut out. Hopefully this will help. Isn't it the case in rugby league where at end of the game a team can stop the clock by immediatley upon forming their scrum (cutting out the potential for leading team to burn up the clock). i think more things like this need to be brought into union.



                    • At a re-set scrum following a 90-degree wheel, the ball is thrown in by the team that previously threw it in rather than the team not in possession
                    • This is crasy, the stronger scrums get penalised again Not if the stronger scrum put the ball in in the first place, we could be back to the old days of the stronger scrum disguising a deliberate wheel to have a break and scrum again. Props should be delighted with it. Enough of this running around craic.



                    In addition, an important maul law application guideline, that has been in place in the southern hemisphere since 1 January, will be enforced in the north from 1 June. Specifically, the ball can be moved backwards hand-to-hand once the maul has formed. A player is not allowed to move or slide to the back of the maul when he is in possession of the ball and the ripper needs to stay in contact with the jumper until they have transferred the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

                    I love way they snook in this ''minor'' one. Its very hard to see how this will be enforced I'd find it quite easy to be honest. They're referring specifically to the start of a maul from a lineout. What happens when the maul progresses a bit though remains unclear. Lifters and jumpers can get ripped off the front of maul a lot, does the ball continually have to be passed back or is the practice of the ball carrier being squeezed back being done away with entirely?
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                      Some referees have been playing on at scrums have collapsed and ball has been freely available at back of scrum already.

                      Originally posted by sewa View Post
                      • Play acting or “simulation” is specifically outlawed in the game in a move that formalises resistance to a practice that has been creeping into the game in recent years. Any player who dives or feigns injury in an effort to influence the match officials will be liable for sanction
                      • What sanction? Penalty or free kick?
                      • Teams must be ready to form a scrum within 30 seconds of the scrum being awarded, unless the referee stops the clock for an injury or another stoppage
                      • This won't be enforced, the refs like the break as much as the players


                      • At a re-set scrum following a 90-degree wheel, the ball is thrown in by the team that previously threw it in rather than the team not in possession
                      • This is crasy, the stronger scrums get penalised again


                      In addition, an important maul law application guideline, that has been in place in the southern hemisphere since 1 January, will be enforced in the north from 1 June. Specifically, the ball can be moved backwards hand-to-hand once the maul has formed. A player is not allowed to move or slide to the back of the maul when he is in possession of the ball and the ripper needs to stay in contact with the jumper until they have transferred the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

                      I love way they snook in this ''minor'' one. Its very hard to see how this will be enforced
                      Sanction would be Penalty as its under 10.4....
                      Refs may like a break... but I completely see this being enforced as there''s way too much time wasted needlessly...

                      Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                      Theyd do well to clamp down on head patting, interaction/engagement with touch judges, and waving of cards.
                      Already happening....

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                        Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                        Theyd do well to clamp down on head patting, interaction/engagement with touch judges, and waving of cards.
                        Could all fall under simulation / bad sportsmanship?
                        Personally, until I see any simulation actively discouraged with a flurry of cards, I won't believe it. It's against the rules in wendyball as well but it needs to be enforced.
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                          On Saturday, Nigel told his Timekeeper that if the clock was stopped before a scrum, not to restart it until the ball had left the Scrum Half's hands.

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                            Originally posted by sewa View Post

                            In addition, an important maul law application guideline, that has been in place in the southern hemisphere since 1 January, will be enforced in the north from 1 June. Specifically, the ball can be moved backwards hand-to-hand once the maul has formed. A player is not allowed to move or slide to the back of the maul when he is in possession of the ball and the ripper needs to stay in contact with the jumper until they have transferred the ball. Sanction: Penalty.

                            I love way they snook in this ''minor'' one. Its very hard to see how this will be enforced

                            Maybe you should consider watching Super Rugby sometime! Because it's been happening there every weekend since this year's series began and, apart from the need for refs. to explain it once or twice in the very early weeks (and for TV commentators to explain it to their viewers) it doesn't seem to have presented any particular problems for either refs or players.
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                              Originally posted by Drick View Post

                              • Play acting or “simulation” is specifically outlawed in the game in a move that formalises resistance to a practice that has been creeping into the game in recent years. Any player who dives or feigns injury in an effort to influence the match officials will be liable for sanction

                              Henceforth to be called the "Stringer/Hogg Law"
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                                Any thoughts on the laws amendments?
                                The sliding back in the maul will catch plenty out over next few weeks...

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