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    Been watching a few highlights on YouTube and the man in the middle for a lot of them that were handled badly / leinintly is very often Wayne “anything goes “ Barnes.....
    Last edited by lawrence; 7th-February-2019, 16:25.

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    Pape knees heaslip

    https://youtu.be/wRtkmDXLzcI

    As clear a red as you can get...

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      #3
      Tuifua tackle, When you watch the slowmo here it’s right in front of Barnes and he reckons it’s legal

      https://youtu.be/f5rgNGwmst0

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        While he doesn’t have the benefit of a TMO on field review it looks like he could have been able to see what happens here

        https://youtu.be/CHZZnXFd34Y

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          #5
          Clearly here there shouldn’t be any sanction for punching Ashton, but with the help of the linesman he gets the call wrong

          https://youtu.be/mYUqAM9nrMg

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            #6
            Bradley Davies and Donnacha Ryan...

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              #7
              Originally posted by lawrence View Post
              Been watching a few highlights on YouTube and the man in the middle for a lot of them that were handled badly / leinintly is very often Wayne “anything goes “ Barnes.....
              Seriously whats the point in this thread?
              You could do the same with every ref. They will not see everything. its not possible. He is one of the top 5 refs in the world and of course will have incidents that will have been foul play etc that could have been sanctioned in game but werent.

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                Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                Bradley Davies and Donnacha Ryan...
                https://youtu.be/r6xxo75RkCw

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                  Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                  Seriously whats the point in this thread?
                  You could do the same with every ref. They will not see everything. its not possible. He is one of the top 5 refs in the world and of course will have incidents that will have been foul play etc that could have been sanctioned in game but werent.

                  I don’t agree, I think his handling of illegal foul play incidents is terrible, it’s not the ones he misses, it’s the ones he sees and still gets wrong, this Stems primarily from his decisions in the game away to Castres this year, where he let the game descend terribly
                  Last edited by lawrence; 7th-February-2019, 16:43.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
                    I don’t agree, I think his handling of illegal foul play incidents is terrible, it’s not the ones he misses, it’s the ones he sees and still gets wrong, this Stems primarily from his decisions in the game away to Castres this year, where he let the game descend terribly
                    His handling of foul play incidents is not terrible. Its the same as any other top tier ref.
                    And one game like Castres isnt reason enough to call him terrible.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                      Seriously whats the point in this thread?
                      You could do the same with every ref. They will not see everything. its not possible. He is one of the top 5 refs in the world and of course will have incidents that will have been foul play etc that could have been sanctioned in game but werent.
                      It's not the ones he misses, OL. As you correctly say, he can't see everything.

                      ​​​​​​It's the ones of which he has a clear view and gets wrong that are the problem.

                      EDIT His decision not to investigate the gouging incident in Castres when POM brought it to his attention, deciding instead to let the Citing Officer handle it was peculiar, would you not agree?
                      Last edited by Piquet; 7th-February-2019, 17:02.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Piquet View Post

                        It's not the ones he misses, OL. As you correctly say, he can't see everything.

                        ​​​​​​It's the ones of which he has a clear view and gets wrong that are the problem.
                        If this is so clear to people posting here then why hasnt he been dropped for such clangers like other refs have been be they pro14 refs, AIL refs or any level and went back down a level for games before moving back up level when deemed ready by assessors/ref coaches.

                        Again what is the point in this thread? Should we have the same for all refs and all players and all coaches? Why not highlight his very good decisions/actions as well.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ormond lad View Post

                          If this is so clear to people posting here then why hasnt he been dropped for such clangers like other refs have been be they pro14 refs, AIL refs or any level and went back down a level for games before moving back up level when deemed ready by assessors/ref coaches.
                          Exactly. That's a very good question. To give another example from the Castres game, Mr Barnes gave a Yellow Card for the tackle on POM, the player was cited and was suspended. This means, does it not, that the Disciplinary Committee decided that the card should have been red? In other words, the Ref made an error of judgement.

                          Originally posted by ormond lad View Post

                          Again what is the point in this thread? Should we have the same for all refs and all players and all coaches? Why not highlight his very good decisions/actions as well.
                          Of course we should. Why don't you find a few and post them?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Piquet View Post

                            Exactly. That's a very good question. To give another example from the Castres game, Mr Barnes gave a Yellow Card for the tackle on POM, the player was cited and was suspended. This means, does it not, that the Disciplinary Committee decided that the card should have been red? In other words, the Ref made an error of judgement.
                            You can from the comfort of your sofa with ability to pause live tv see many things a ref will never be able to in real time. Of course there will be incidents a ref wont see.

                            Of course we should. Why don't you find a few and post them?
                            Im sure you can find plenty...
                            Just look at Wales and France and the long added on time. And the issue over sub for front row in that added on time. Barnes managed that excellently.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ormond lad View Post
                              You can from the comfort of your sofa with ability to pause live tv see many things a ref will never be able to in real time. Of course there will be incidents a ref wont see.
                              I have agreed with you above that the Ref can't see everything. Everybody understands that. The incident in the Castres match was one that he saw, viewed several times on the Big Screen and decided that a Yellow Card was sufficient.
                              This decision was later found to be wrong, not by me, but by people far better qualified than I am, the Disciplinary Commitee, and the player was suspended.

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