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    Limerick Post</PUBLICATI&#079;N> <DAY>Saturday</DAY> <DATE>20070217</DATE> 03
    Holmes defends lights despite big 20,000 euro annual standing charge</LINE> <AUTHOR>John O'Shaughnessy</AUTHOR><AREA shape=RECT coords=0,0,0,0></TEST>
    Publication: Limerick Post Date: Saturday, February 17, 2007 Page: 03 Extract: 1 of 2 Circulation: 43.554 Author: John O'Shaughnessy
    Headline: Holmes defends lights despite big 20,000 euro annual standing charge Holmes 20,000 defends lights despite big euro annual standing charge

    LIMERICK County board chairman Denis Holmes, has hit out at critics of plans to install a floodlighting system at the Gaelic Grounds, where there will be an annual ESB standing charge of approximately 20,000 euro, excluding usage. There are some voic- es with the GAA who argue that there is no necessity for lights at the venue, especially in that hurling and foot- ball are mainly summer games. They point to an attendance of 1,200 fans for last Saturday's high profile NFL game between Limerick and Dublin at the Ennis Road venue, claiming that floodlights would not have made any dif- ference. Said one GAA figure, who did not wish to be identified. "We are talk- ing in terms of late September through to March, when not many games are played. Floodlights are used mainly for gaeiic foot- ball and we do not have a high profile in the big ball game in Limerick. Just look at the sup- port we had last Saturday-of those in the ground, at least half travelled in sup- port of Dublin. The dis- advantages might out- weigh the advantages". However, Holmes says they have to look to the future. "More and more grounds are having lights installed and we cannot be seen to fall behind". Though costings of the system have yet to be finalised, Mr Holmes told the Limerick Post that it was likely to be in the region of one and a half million euro. The plan is for four pylons, one at each corner of the ground, and erected inside the stadium. "There is every pos- sibility that little of the money required for installation will have to come from our own cof- fers, in that grants are available from both the Munster Council and Croke Park. "We are also aware of the hefty ESB charges but at the end of the day, it is our belief that the lights will pay for them- selves". In that context, he revealed that GAA headquarters were locked in negotiations with the ESB on the question of standing charges. The chairman dis- agreed that floodlights were an unnecessary luxury. "More and more club matches, as well as League games, are now being played under lights. Were we to turn down this opportunity, such fixtures, especial- ly at provincial and national club level, would be denied to us". Planning permission has been sought from Limerick City Council and, if approval is granted, the next stage will be to put the con- tract out to tender. The biggest atten- dance at the Gaelic Grounds since the modernisation pro- gramme was complet- ed four years ago, was 28,000 for the Munster senior hurling champi- onship replay between Limerick and Tipperary. The next highest was 22,000 for the Munster senior football final between Limerick and Kerry. <XREF image="B000SHO8.TIF|V3|2007:02:20:00:33:29.00|7765 3|0">image: </XREF>---- Publication: Limerick Post Date: Saturday, February 17, 2007 Page: 03 Extract: 2 of 2 Circulation: 43.554 Author: John O'Shaughnessy Headline: Holmes defends lights despite big 20,000 euro annual standing charge County board chairman Denis Holmes is confident that floodlights at the Gaelic Grounds will win with approval <XREF image="B000SHO9.TIF|V3|2007:02:20:00:33:30.00|1394 34|0">image: </XREF>----

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    we can now see it empty at night too, cool
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      #3
      These things definitely defy logic.
      "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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        #4


        What ajoke. The GAA will need more than gimmicks like floodlights if they are to compete with rugby in Limerick.


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          #5
          Some shower of idiots, McManus was the bigger fool to bale them out. The new Thomond Park will be laughing at the Gaelic grounds.

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            #6
            Originally posted by sewa


            What ajoke. The GAA will need more than gimmicks like floodlights if they are to compete with rugby in Limerick.





            Maybe they could sell grass keyrings and paperweights to commemorate the ground before the stadium of light erupted.
            "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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              #7

              Originally posted by sewa

              What ajoke. The GAA will need more than gimmicks like floodlights if they are to compete with rugby in Limerick.

              I would have thought so too, but if the hurlers and footballers can maintain the form they've shown so far, saturday nights in the gaelic grounds could draw decent crowds. @@@@SPAN style="font-weight: bold;">At the moment@@@@/SPAN> Limerick has competitive football and hurling teams. Not many other counties do. This means there is a regular weekly attraction to the GG's if they both keep playing well.
              Grandpa Simpson: The last time the meteors came, we thought the sky was on fire. Naturally, we blamed the Irish. We hanged more \'n a few.

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                #8


                Being realistic Chief the football have failed to deliver on the promise and while the hurlers gave Cork a scare last year I remain unconvinced.


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                When all the people do all day
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                  #9


                  Originally posted by wildRover
                  Some shower of idiots, McManus was the bigger fool to bale them out. The new Thomond Park will be laughing at the Gaelic grounds.

                  yeah when theres 5000 at at 25000 seater stadium for a magners league game,they'll really be laughing hard.mcmanus didnt "bale them out" their debt was within reasonable bounds and would have been paid off,j.p. made a donation.


                  limerick has never bar for a couple of isolated years,got decent crowds at football matches.ESPECIALLY for league matches. if limerick hurlers get on a good run,and get to croke park the demand for tickets will be every bit as great as for any heineken cup game. when you start going on about how big rugby is in limerick,remember there are 12 or so rugby clubs in limerick(city and county),there are dozens of gaa clubs.
                  g\'wan bruff!!

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                  -Barack Obama


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                    #10


                    Originally posted by sewa

                    Being realistic Chief the football have failed to deliver on the promise and while the hurlers gave Cork a scare last year I remain unconvinced.

                    All I'm saying is that if they start winning, plenty of people will go to watch them. And they've started well this year.
                    The hurlers play Ger Loughnanes Galway next Sunday week in the Gaelic Grounds. That will get a good crowd. Limerick people love their rugby, but they love their hurling too. All they need is a decent team to get behind.
                    Grandpa Simpson: The last time the meteors came, we thought the sky was on fire. Naturally, we blamed the Irish. We hanged more \'n a few.

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                      #11

                      Originally posted by bruffian

                      Originally posted by wildRover
                      Some shower of idiots, McManus was the bigger fool to bale them out. The new Thomond Park will be laughing at the Gaelic grounds.

                      yeah when theres 5000 at at 25000 seater stadium for a magners league game,they'll really be laughing hard.mcmanus didnt "bale them out" their debt was within reasonable bounds and would have been paid off,j.p. made a donation.


                      limerick has never bar for a couple of isolated years,got decent crowds at football matches.ESPECIALLY for league matches. if limerick hurlers get on a good run,and get to croke park the demand for tickets will be every bit as great as for any heineken cup game. when you start going on about how big rugby is in limerick,remember there are 12 or so rugby clubs in limerick(city and county),there are dozens of gaa clubs.
                      Everything comes down to competition with ye GAA lads. Why can't you admit local gaelic games has suffered? - and not because of rugby but because you have failed to react to it. I love hurling but it's structure is archaic on a local level.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Max Headroom
                        Originally posted by bruffian


                        Originally posted by wildRover
                        Some shower of idiots, McManus was the bigger fool to bale them out. The new Thomond Park will be laughing at the Gaelic grounds.

                        yeah when theres 5000 at at 25000 seater stadium for a magners league game,they'll really be laughing hard.mcmanus didnt "bale them out" their debt was within reasonable bounds and would have been paid off,j.p. made a donation.


                        limerick has never bar for a couple of isolated years,got decent crowds at football matches.ESPECIALLY for league matches. if limerick hurlers get on a good run,and get to croke park the demand for tickets will be every bit as great as for any heineken cup game. when you start going on about how big rugby is in limerick,remember there are 12 or so rugby clubs in limerick(city and county),there are dozens of gaa clubs.

                        Everything comes down to competition with ye GAA lads. Why can't you admit local gaelic games has suffered? - and not because of rugby but because you have failed to react to it. I love hurling but it's structure is archaic on a local level.

                        how do make out it has suffered in limerick? a few average years doesnt prove it has suffered.we are still one of the strongest hurling counties in the country,and our football team has come on a lot in the last decade,back in the 80s and before our football teams were an absolute joke.


                        fact is,that when it comes to participation numbers,sadly soccer is the biggest sport in limerick
                        g\'wan bruff!!

                        ``The answer is not heavy- handed regulations that crush the entrepreneurial spirit and risk- taking of American capitalism. That\'s what\'s made our economy great.\"
                        -Barack Obama


                        \"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics\"
                        -thomas sowell

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                          #13


                          I said nothing about crowds Bruffian. Its the facility I am referring to. The gaelic grounds is a barrenkip but the new TP will, hopefully, have lots of facilities for punters such as quality seating in the stands,bars, restaurants etc.





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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Chief
                            Originally posted by sewa


                            Being realistic Chief the football have failed to deliver on the promise and while the hurlers gave Cork a scare last year I remain unconvinced.




                            All I'm saying is that if they start winning, plenty of people will go to watch them. And they've started well this year.
                            The hurlers play Ger Loughnanes Galway next Sunday week in the Gaelic Grounds. That will get a good crowd. Limerick people love their rugby, but they love their hurling too. All they need is a decent team to get behind.

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                            So if Limerick start going well in the league they will start getting crowds in the summer, so what do they need floodlights for?


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                              #15

                              Originally posted by bruffian
                              Originally posted by Max Headroom
                              Originally posted by bruffian


                              Originally posted by wildRover
                              Some shower of idiots, McManus was the bigger fool to bale them out. The new Thomond Park will be laughing at the Gaelic grounds.

                              yeah when theres 5000 at at 25000 seater stadium for a magners league game,they'll really be laughing hard.mcmanus didnt "bale them out" their debt was within reasonable bounds and would have been paid off,j.p. made a donation.


                              limerick has never bar for a couple of isolated years,got decent crowds at football matches.ESPECIALLY for league matches. if limerick hurlers get on a good run,and get to croke park the demand for tickets will be every bit as great as for any heineken cup game. when you start going on about how big rugby is in limerick,remember there are 12 or so rugby clubs in limerick(city and county),there are dozens of gaa clubs.

                              Everything comes down to competition with ye GAA lads. Why can't you admit local gaelic games has suffered? - and not because of rugby but because you have failed to react to it. I love hurling but it's structure is archaic on a local level.

                              how do make out it has suffered in limerick? a few average years doesnt prove it has suffered.we are still one of the strongest hurling counties in the country,and our football team has come on a lot in the last decade,back in the 80s and before our football teams were an absolute joke.


                              fact is,that when it comes to participation numbers,sadly soccer is the biggest sport in limerick
                              Perhaps. My problem is just with the structure of the competitions. I don't think they do justice to the sports in general. Hopefully the Croker windfall will find its way to county level where, combined with a completely revised Championship, it can reclaim its place in the sun.

                              It's crazy to think that, four years after PnaG was redeveloped, the biggest crowd has been 28,000. Something has to change.


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