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    Had a chuckle yesterday at the "lib" responses to George W. Bush's speech at John Lewis's funeral. Essentially "I disagreed with his policies at the time but at least he is a President I can respect!" - being the man at the head of a political machine that stole an election and started two enormous wars with no motive aside from personal gain. His response to Hurricane Katrina was even more negligent than the Trump admin's response to the coronavirus outbreak also, he was just lucky it was on a much smaller scale. His approval rating is now in the high 50s I believe.

    The same type of person will do the exact same to Trump in a few years.
    "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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      Originally posted by Jenta View Post
      Had a chuckle yesterday at the "lib" responses to George W. Bush's speech at John Lewis's funeral. Essentially "I disagreed with his policies at the time but at least he is a President I can respect!" - being the man at the head of a political machine that stole an election and started two enormous wars with no motive aside from personal gain. His response to Hurricane Katrina was even more negligent than the Trump admin's response to the coronavirus outbreak also, he was just lucky it was on a much smaller scale. His approval rating is now in the high 50s I believe.

      The same type of person will do the exact same to Trump in a few years.
      its a fair point, and you have seen something similar with Romney and McCain. Romney was portrayed as some kind of Stepford like automaton, who would ruthlessly cut social spending, McCain as an angry, demented, bitter man. Now they are seen as heroes.
      I think it points to the way politics here has been become a winner take all, hysterical exercise and the "other" side has been demonized
      Yes, Bush was a terrible president. Regarding stealing the election I think the Dems would have done exactly the same thing and there is a legit case for the Rs on that one. The Iraq war was inexcusable, and means an asterix besides Bushs name forever. There has been a grudging acceptance (by many but not all) of Bush as a decent man, in over his head as president for some time now

      Trump is different though. Its almost as if the demonization by the left of right leaning candidates resulted in the very thing they had been evoking - a fascist, racist (although nobody ever accused Bush, Romney or McCain of that) misogynistic, corrupt, incompetent President
      I dont think Trumps legacy will ever be burnished by the left. Or the middle. Or anybody except the hardcore MAGA (there will be a "lost cause" nostalgia around Trump for generations by the hard core - 20% 30%?

      I think history will look back on this period and scratch its head trying to figure it out. Less Trumps behavior and more the enablers around him. The hope is history will see it as an inflection back to something better rather than the point of no return for decline


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        https://youtu.be/4TogbPPyQQM

        From The Lincoln Project people

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          I think Karl Rove has an awful lot to answer for. He really set the trend for appealing to the lowest common denominator during the Bush campaigns. Trump's crew have just picked up the ball and run with it.
          When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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            They don't teach civics

            Three out of four yanks cannot name all three branches of their government:

            https://www.aft.org/ae/summer2018/shapiro_brown

            What's surprising really, is that it's surprising. What does America do anymore? Genuinely?

            Production is in China and Asia at large, global policy is now on Brussels, California is the tech centre of the world but outside that? Murica is yesterday's man.

            It's a big lumbering oaf, oblivious of it's position and it's decline. The level of education is dangerously low it appears.
            I am the million man.

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              Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
              They don't teach civics

              Three out of four yanks cannot name all three branches of their government:

              https://www.aft.org/ae/summer2018/shapiro_brown

              What's surprising really, is that it's surprising. What does America do anymore? Genuinely?

              Production is in China and Asia at large, global policy is now on Brussels, California is the tech centre of the world but outside that? Murica is yesterday's man.

              It's a big lumbering oaf, oblivious of it's position and it's decline. The level of education is dangerously low it appears.
              26 % only can name the three branches. That is truly shocking. It certaily wasn't the case at most 20 years ago. It was one of the basics in any primary school in any decent area. By decent, I mean good or at least not struggling with literacy and even then I would have thought it was elementary. The 3 branches is the basic foundation of the revolutionary government. It would have been taught in history.

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                30% of Americans think the sun goes round the earth.
                Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                  Originally posted by B.A. View Post
                  I think Karl Rove has an awful lot to answer for. He really set the trend for appealing to the lowest common denominator during the Bush campaigns. Trump's crew have just picked up the ball and run with it.
                  And Newt Gingrich encouraged partisanship, and vilification of Democrats, insisting Republicans do away with the civility and decorum which had been the unwritten rule of the house up until his speakership.
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                    Interesting insight into America towards the end of the article.

                    "As a cop, I killed someone. Then I found out it happens more often than we know"

                    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-than-we-know?

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                      https://youtu.be/4TGhgzZ8JG8

                      Try smoking that.
                      Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                        This paragraph worth quoting in full

                        "No one should be shocked that a liar who has made almost 20,000 false or misleading claims during his presidency would lie about whether the U.S. had the pandemic under control; that a racist who gave birth to birtherism would do little to stop a virus that was disproportionately killing Black people; that a xenophobe who presided over the creation of new immigrant-detention centers would order meatpacking plants with a substantial immigrant workforce to remain open; that a cruel man devoid of empathy would fail to calm fearful citizens; that a narcissist who cannot stand to be upstaged would refuse to tap the deep well of experts at his disposal; that a scion of nepotism would hand control of a shadow coronavirus task force to his unqualified son-in-law; that an armchair polymath would claim to have a “natural ability” at medicine and display it by wondering out loud about the curative potential of injecting disinfectant; that an egotist incapable of admitting failure would try to distract from his greatest one by blaming China, defunding the WHO, and promoting miracle drugs; or that a president who has been shielded by his party from any shred of accountability would say, when asked about the lack of testing, “I don’t take any responsibility at all.”

                        Has a better paragraph ever been written - how did The US come to this?

                        A virus has brought the world’s most powerful country to its knees.
                        https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ailure/614191/

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                          Originally posted by Yatenga View Post
                          This paragraph worth quoting in full



                          Has a better paragraph ever been written - how did The US come to this?

                          A virus has brought the world’s most powerful country to its knees.
                          https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ailure/614191/
                          That's an easy one Yatenga.

                          'Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad'

                          Degeneration and destruction are part of Nature

                          Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                            He might end his days in a jail cell after all:

                            https://www.axios.com/manhattan-dist...85b52f66c.html

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                            Filing suggests Manhattan DA is investigating Trump for possible fraud


                            Fadel Allassan

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                            The Manhattan District Attorney's office suggested for the first time Monday that it's investigating President Trump and his company for "alleged bank and insurance fraud," the New York Times first reported.

                            The state of play: The disclosure was made in a filing in federal court that seeks to force accounting firm Mazars USA to comply with a subpoena for eight years of Trump's personal and corporate tax returns.

                            The big picture: The revelation comes less than a month after the Supreme Court paved the way for District Attorney Cy Vance's subpoena, ruling that presidents cannot be immune from investigation.
                            • The filing suggests that Vance's investigation, which was believed to be examining hush money payments made by Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen during the 2016 election, is much broader in scope.
                            • Trump and his lawyers have denied any wrongdoing.

                            What they're saying: "Plaintiff goes so far as to declare that these payments — and these payments alone — are what the 'grand jury claims to be investigating,' and thus the Mazars Subpoena is overbroad because it seeks documents dating back to 2011. But this Court is already aware that this assertion is fatally undermined by undisputed information in the public record," the district attorney's office writes in the filing.
                            • "See Vance, 395 F. Supp. 3d at 300 (the Office's investigation may result in 'a favorable outcome ... substantially related to[,]" among other things, 'alleged insurance and bank fraud by the Trump Organization and its officers')."
                            • "Although the Office bears no affirmative burden to justify the breadth of the Mazars Subpoena, and although Plaintiff is not entitled to know the scope and nature of the grand jury investigation, publicly available information itself establishes a satisfactory predicate for the Mazars Subpoena."

                            Worth noting: The filing points to three media reports about "possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization" to support Vance's argument about the legitimacy of the subpoena.
                            • Washington Post: How Donald Trump inflated his net worth to lenders and investors
                            • Wall Street Journal: Michael Cohen Details Allegations of Trump’s Role in Hush-Money Scheme
                            • Washington Post: After selling off his father’s properties, Trump embraced unorthodox strategies to expand his empire

                            Read the filing via DocumentCloud:
                            I am the million man.

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                              Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                              He might end his days in a jail cell after all:

                              https://www.axios.com/manhattan-dist...85b52f66c.html

                              ​​​​​​
                              Filing suggests Manhattan DA is investigating Trump for possible fraud


                              Fadel Allassan

                              ​​​​​​
                              The Manhattan District Attorney's office suggested for the first time Monday that it's investigating President Trump and his company for "alleged bank and insurance fraud," the New York Times first reported.

                              The state of play: The disclosure was made in a filing in federal court that seeks to force accounting firm Mazars USA to comply with a subpoena for eight years of Trump's personal and corporate tax returns.

                              The big picture: The revelation comes less than a month after the Supreme Court paved the way for District Attorney Cy Vance's subpoena, ruling that presidents cannot be immune from investigation.
                              • The filing suggests that Vance's investigation, which was believed to be examining hush money payments made by Trump's former fixer Michael Cohen during the 2016 election, is much broader in scope.
                              • Trump and his lawyers have denied any wrongdoing.

                              What they're saying: "Plaintiff goes so far as to declare that these payments — and these payments alone — are what the 'grand jury claims to be investigating,' and thus the Mazars Subpoena is overbroad because it seeks documents dating back to 2011. But this Court is already aware that this assertion is fatally undermined by undisputed information in the public record," the district attorney's office writes in the filing.
                              • "See Vance, 395 F. Supp. 3d at 300 (the Office's investigation may result in 'a favorable outcome ... substantially related to[,]" among other things, 'alleged insurance and bank fraud by the Trump Organization and its officers')."
                              • "Although the Office bears no affirmative burden to justify the breadth of the Mazars Subpoena, and although Plaintiff is not entitled to know the scope and nature of the grand jury investigation, publicly available information itself establishes a satisfactory predicate for the Mazars Subpoena."

                              Worth noting: The filing points to three media reports about "possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization" to support Vance's argument about the legitimacy of the subpoena.
                              • Washington Post: How Donald Trump inflated his net worth to lenders and investors
                              • Wall Street Journal: Michael Cohen Details Allegations of Trump’s Role in Hush-Money Scheme
                              • Washington Post: After selling off his father’s properties, Trump embraced unorthodox strategies to expand his empire

                              Read the filing via DocumentCloud:
                              You’d imagine in any sort of reasonable world, that would be curtains. ... but then in any reasonable world he wouldn’t be where he is.

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                                Maybe it was projection after all, Lock Her Up was all about him getting a stretch eventually

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                                I am the million man.

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