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    Although I'm reasonably on the lefty pinko liberal side, I'd sooner Bloomberg run against Trump than Sanders.
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      Well if Saunders gets it then we'll find out if the ol' commie stuff is potent or if people are ready for a different non establishment president.
      Trumps behaviour since the impeachment has become so ugly by any normal standards many people will quietly note it and be waiting in the long grass.
      Some of those just pardoned make Lawlor, Callely, Redmond, Lowry etc look like naughty kids who didn't pay their bus fare.
      Not to mention the long roll call doing bird already. Manifort etc
      Its sort of what you'd get if Kinahan had stood in the election and his gang won with the big K now Taoiseach.
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      I think history will look back on this time as the start of the demise of American hegemony.
      Hell is a world gone mad, and America is gone mad.Trump Saunders debates could be interesting.

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      Last edited by tippete7trees; 20-February-2020, 15:30.
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        It’s Sanders guys, not Saunders.

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          National polls US in the don't mean much. It's the swing States that matter. Sanders has a shot at the blue collar voters there cos they're not doing well in the economy
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            Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post
            National polls US in the don't mean much. It's the swing States that matter. Sanders has a shot at the blue collar voters there cos they're not doing well in the economy
            sometimes we get so caught up in noise that we lose sight of the fundamentals - a self described socialist CANNOT win the American presidency. Even against somebody that 50% of the electorate detest. Thats pretty much it (with the one caveat that if the economy tanks between now and November all bets are off)

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              He's a democratic socialist in a country with an enormous wealth divide and a vast number of people living under the poverty line. He can win.

              The economy is already tanking anyway. It's being propped up by spending and overvalued tech stocks.
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                Originally posted by Jenta View Post
                He's a democratic socialist in a country with an enormous wealth divide and a vast number of people living under the poverty line. He can win.

                The economy is already tanking anyway. It's being propped up by spending and overvalued tech stocks.
                Everything you say in the first line is correct except for the last part. He is a SOCIALIST. This is the US of A. The Trumpers are licking their lips and egging on his campaign so he does win. They have attack ads ready to roll once he wins the nomination (not before)
                And your second line is also correct but the band is still playing and it could be another year before the whole thing starts to sink. Probably Dec 2020

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                  Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                  It’s Sanders guys, not Saunders.
                  Fecking autocorrect on my phone - thinks I want to order KFC.
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                    Originally posted by Jenta View Post
                    He's a democratic socialist in a country with an enormous wealth divide and a vast number of people living under the poverty line. He can win.

                    The economy is already tanking anyway. It's being propped up by spending and overvalued tech stocks.
                    I honestly don't think he can.

                    You'd need to move 3 or 4 states to him to give him a victory. Those states are very centrist states. Places like Wisconsin and North Carolina just won't vote a very left Dem candidate.

                    ​​​​​To flip those states it'll be much more palatable for those voters to switch from a billionaire GOP candidate to a billionaire Dem one imho.

                    I'd much prefer it was Warren btw.
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                      Trump was made on TV and that remains his best strength. He always had massive name recognition and he consistently plays to that.

                      The TV debates (if Trump agrees to them) in the general election could be much more decisive in 2020 than previously IF the Dems nominate someone who could handle Trump. If that was the sole criterion for nomination, it would be Warren.


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                        IF, and its an enormous if, Trump were to lose the election and the democrats were to take over two of the three branches would he be looking at jail time? pick your crime of choice in this scenario

                        This is perhaps an election for his continued freedom, I think it might be why he mentions a third or beyond term - he doesnt want to be locked up
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                          What's he going to get locked up for?

                          I'm no Trump fan, I think he's a bent, loutish, bully tbh, though some of his policies are probably benefiting America. I have yet to see any charge of any significance substantiated against him to the level of proof required in the US for an impeachment, civil or criminal case.

                          If there is a charge proven or provable to that level of proof please inform us.....
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                            Originally posted by Daithi View Post
                            What's he going to get locked up for?

                            I'm no Trump fan, I think he's a bent, loutish, bully tbh, though some of his policies are probably benefiting America. I have yet to see any charge of any significance substantiated against him to the level of proof required in the US for an impeachment, civil or criminal case.

                            If there is a charge proven or provable to that level of proof please inform us.....
                            At present there is a major effort underway to keep him inside the tent and safe from proper investigation.

                            https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=68358219

                            Systemic Tax Evasion?
                            Some of the myriad of sex abuse allegations?
                            Any of the witness tampering?

                            Given there's been more than one reason to impeach him, both Mueller and Ukraine, and now he sees himself as godlike and infallible - whats to say the stupid bastard doesn't do something blatantly criminal and when he's gone from the oval office they go after him?

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                              They would need 2/3s of the Senate to remove him from office and they will never get those numbers. So it is unfortunately looking like 4 more years of Trump, the Democrats will lose like they always do, falling on the sword of ideological purity instead of focusing on winning. A self described socialist will never win the presidency.

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                                Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                                They would need 2/3s of the Senate to remove him from office and they will never get those numbers. So it is unfortunately looking like 4 more years of Trump, the Democrats will lose like they always do, falling on the sword of ideological purity instead of focusing on winning. A self described socialist will never win the presidency.
                                The consolation prize then is another term for Trump means his luck is bound to run out and a real crisis will convulse the Yanks. That will benefit humanity in the end.
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