Brexit referendum and negotiations 2016-19

[MunsterTel]

Couldn't disagree with you more.

And you won't be alone feeling that way.

[The Last Stand]

Being reported by the Guardian and the Telegraph that some polls are showing a small majority in favour of Brexit!!!


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I think it is on a knife edge.

[the plastic paddy]

I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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[MunsterTel]

I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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Bbc Breakfast is a howl lately. About a 15 minute piece each morning with that Geordie fool discussing different scenarios and how they would be affected in a leave or remain situation. It's 14min30s on the disaster it would be to leave.

It's as shameless as the announcer at Landsdown when we play Leinster. :)

[Viigand]

Is there any good reason to stay outside of access to the Common Market?

[Pythagoras]

I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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And who can say that they're wrong?

[MunsterTel]

Is there any good reason to stay outside of access to the Common Market?

Political Independence?

[Viigand]

I have just realised I left out a very important comma!

'Is there any good reason to stay, outside of access to the Common Market?'

[The Last Stand]

I have just realised I left out a very important comma!

'Is there any good reason to stay, outside of access to the Common Market?'

Well, in Ireland's case you would have the Oireactas responsible for all our laws and not just the 40% they are responsible for now.


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[sewa]

I don't know for sure how that village of Millionaires accummulated that wealth, but why the objection to how they spend it when we condone how they amass it?

Because its ok for everyone else to live next to foreigners but we won't, its blatant racism and massively ignorant.

[Upfront_1979]

Couldn't disagree with you more.

Genuine question Viigand, in a world of finite resources what is the logical extension of capitalism? Its not possible for everyone to have a middle class lifestyle, for every European with a nice house, car, iPhone etc, probably 100 people are suffering incredible poverty.
Is it right to say "I want more things therefore, because I was lucky to be born in Ireland and not Bangladesh or China, others must suffer?"

I don't have an answer by the way, but it's something I find myself thinking more on as I travel and learn more about what enables us to have the things we have in the 1st world

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[Viigand]

Brexit referendum taking place on Thurs 23rd June 2016

Flip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.

[5eight]

I find it ironic that the leave campaign seems to be lead by and appeals to the very sort who'd have the empire back tomorrow.

[Balla Boy]

Flip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.

No need for nuance. The simple statement is untrue. Lots of people work very hard for very little reward. Lots of people earn significant reward for very little work.

Capitalism rewards the ownership of capital.

[Balla Boy]

I find it ironic that the leave campaign seems to be lead by and appeals to the very sort who'd have the empire back tomorrow.

It's a bizarre mindset. They bang on about how Great Britain was, and how its economy and industry has declined since. That will happen when you used to have a vast swathe of the world forcibly aligned with your economic and political interests, and then you don't have.

I think it's what they hate most about the EU - having to compromise and reach agreement. They've completely lost sight of the fact that Britain has never successfully "gone it alone". It went from being an Empire through a period of great economic difficulty and then into Europe.