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I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.
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Originally posted by the plastic paddy View PostI can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.
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It's as shameless as the announcer at Landsdown when we play Leinster. :)The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.
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Originally posted by the plastic paddy View PostI can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.
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Originally posted by Viigand View PostI have just realised I left out a very important comma!
'Is there any good reason to stay, outside of access to the Common Market?'
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Originally posted by MunsterTel View PostI don't know for sure how that village of Millionaires accummulated that wealth, but why the objection to how they spend it when we condone how they amass it?My computer thinks I'm gay
What's the difference anyway
When all the people do all day
Is stare into a phone
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Originally posted by Viigand View PostCouldn't disagree with you more.
Is it right to say "I want more things therefore, because I was lucky to be born in Ireland and not Bangladesh or China, others must suffer?"
I don't have an answer by the way, but it's something I find myself thinking more on as I travel and learn more about what enables us to have the things we have in the 1st world
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Brexit referendum taking place on Thurs 23rd June 2016
Flip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.Last edited by Viigand; 31st-May-2016, 23:14.
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Originally posted by Viigand View PostFlip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.
No need for nuance. The simple statement is untrue. Lots of people work very hard for very little reward. Lots of people earn significant reward for very little work.
Capitalism rewards the ownership of capital."We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
"I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn
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Originally posted by 5eight View PostI find it ironic that the leave campaign seems to be lead by and appeals to the very sort who'd have the empire back tomorrow.
I think it's what they hate most about the EU - having to compromise and reach agreement. They've completely lost sight of the fact that Britain has never successfully "gone it alone". It went from being an Empire through a period of great economic difficulty and then into Europe."We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow
"Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy
"I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn
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