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    #91
    Originally posted by Viigand View Post
    Couldn't disagree with you more.
    And you won't be alone feeling that way.
    The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.

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      #92
      Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
      Being reported by the Guardian and the Telegraph that some polls are showing a small majority in favour of Brexit!!!


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      I think it is on a knife edge.

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        #93
        I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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          #94
          Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
          I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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          Bbc Breakfast is a howl lately. About a 15 minute piece each morning with that Geordie fool discussing different scenarios and how they would be affected in a leave or remain situation. It's 14min30s on the disaster it would be to leave.

          It's as shameless as the announcer at Landsdown when we play Leinster. :)
          The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.

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            #95
            Is there any good reason to stay outside of access to the Common Market?

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              #96
              Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
              I can't believe it but I think the UK is going to vote to leave. No one is making the positive case for the EU, it is all about the disaster that will unfold if the UK leaves and the electorate, with the same warnings from the same people about the Euro fresh in the memory, are not buying it.


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              And who can say that they're wrong?

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                #97
                Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                Is there any good reason to stay outside of access to the Common Market?
                Political Independence?
                The whole world cries out peace, freedom and a few less fat bastards eating all the pie.

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                  #98
                  I have just realised I left out a very important comma!

                  'Is there any good reason to stay, outside of access to the Common Market?'

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                    I have just realised I left out a very important comma!

                    'Is there any good reason to stay, outside of access to the Common Market?'
                    Well, in Ireland's case you would have the Oireactas responsible for all our laws and not just the 40% they are responsible for now.


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                      Originally posted by MunsterTel View Post
                      I don't know for sure how that village of Millionaires accummulated that wealth, but why the objection to how they spend it when we condone how they amass it?
                      Because its ok for everyone else to live next to foreigners but we won't, its blatant racism and massively ignorant.
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                      When all the people do all day
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                        Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                        Couldn't disagree with you more.
                        Genuine question Viigand, in a world of finite resources what is the logical extension of capitalism? Its not possible for everyone to have a middle class lifestyle, for every European with a nice house, car, iPhone etc, probably 100 people are suffering incredible poverty.
                        Is it right to say "I want more things therefore, because I was lucky to be born in Ireland and not Bangladesh or China, others must suffer?"

                        I don't have an answer by the way, but it's something I find myself thinking more on as I travel and learn more about what enables us to have the things we have in the 1st world

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                          Brexit referendum taking place on Thurs 23rd June 2016

                          Flip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.
                          Last edited by Viigand; 31st-May-2016, 23:14.

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                            I find it ironic that the leave campaign seems to be lead by and appeals to the very sort who'd have the empire back tomorrow.
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                              Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                              Flip side is what is the logical extension of socialism, for me capitalism rewards hard work, socialism doesn't. There is a load of nuance that you'd need to get into about regulation, anti-trust etc but that's the heart of it.

                              No need for nuance. The simple statement is untrue. Lots of people work very hard for very little reward. Lots of people earn significant reward for very little work.

                              Capitalism rewards the ownership of capital.
                              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                                Originally posted by 5eight View Post
                                I find it ironic that the leave campaign seems to be lead by and appeals to the very sort who'd have the empire back tomorrow.
                                It's a bizarre mindset. They bang on about how Great Britain was, and how its economy and industry has declined since. That will happen when you used to have a vast swathe of the world forcibly aligned with your economic and political interests, and then you don't have.

                                I think it's what they hate most about the EU - having to compromise and reach agreement. They've completely lost sight of the fact that Britain has never successfully "gone it alone". It went from being an Empire through a period of great economic difficulty and then into Europe.
                                "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                                "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                                "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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