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    Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post

    I agree. It's a powderkeg.

    Ann f**king Widecombe being cheered into a working mans club in Yorkshire tells you all you need to know. A party without a single policy other that "get us of of the EU" leading not just the polling in the EU elections, but being second in polling for a GE. Stephen Yaxley Lesson likely to get elected - an actual real fascist in the European parliament. Wall to wall coverage of the Brexit party on Sky News and the BBC. The Lib Dems and greens getting pretty much zero coverage. Labour getting splinters in their arse from sitting on multiple fences at once.

    This is the most dangerous time in UK politics since the early 1930s and the Blackshirts.


    If you were thinking about voting for Farage what could Cable or Lucas possibly say that would change your mind? We are long since past the point where there is much left to debate on Brexit, imho. Minds are made up and, if anything, views are becoming more entrenched. I suspect that Farage’s return has tightened the Brexit polls up again. I genuinely cant see how a second referendum can be forced anyway, can you?

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      Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

      I think you underestimate the disillusion of many former Tory supporters over the Tory shenanigans and the middle ground swing stratum have abandoned the Tories for good. Also Doris as leader will precipitate an immediate split as there's a sizable group of moderate Tories who will split if Doris gets the leadership.
      Not if it means a Corbyn government they won’t. If the alternative is Corbyn the middle ground will hold their noses and vote for Boris, especially if Corbyn, as I think he has to, carries on equivocating on Brexit. If Corbyn was to resign then things would change overnight, imho. In a GE, the Remain vote could end up hopelessly split whereas a Tory party led by Boris and endorsed by Farage, running on a bollix to Brussels ticket could hoover up the Leave vote.

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        Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post

        If you were thinking about voting for Farage what could Cable or Lucas possibly say that would change your mind? We are long since past the point where there is much left to debate on Brexit, imho. Minds are made up and, if anything, views are becoming more entrenched. I suspect that Farage’s return has tightened the Brexit polls up again. I genuinely cant see how a second referendum can be forced anyway, can you?
        The 34% support for Farage is the hardcore anti EU vote and I'd agree, there isn't much that Cable or Lucas could say to them to change their minds.

        But as Labour (and the Tories) disappear up their own arses, maybe more coverage of Lucas and Cable could rally the remain crowd. I know a lot of remain leaning folk who aren't even going to bother voting at the EU elections, because they see it as a forgone conclusion that Farage, Robinson et al are going to win. That is obviously illogical, but that's the way they feel.

        Bannon is behind a lot of this and must be absolutely loving it.

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          Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post

          The 34% support for Farage is the hardcore anti EU vote and I'd agree, there isn't much that Cable or Lucas could say to them to change their minds.

          But as Labour (and the Tories) disappear up their own arses, maybe more coverage of Lucas and Cable could rally the remain crowd. I know a lot of remain leaning folk who aren't even going to bother voting at the EU elections, because they see it as a forgone conclusion that Farage, Robinson et al are going to win. That is obviously illogical, but that's the way they feel.

          Bannon is behind a lot of this and must be absolutely loving it.
          That is interesting about Remain voters. If they don’t turn out it could be an absolute rout. Christ what a mess. EDIT I would add I haven’t found that from Remainers friends, family and acquaintances, they are all set to vote but the lack of cohesion around the different Remainer parties is dissipating the Remain vote whereas the Leave vote is galvanising behind Farage, Widecombe etc, God help us.
          Last edited by the plastic paddy; 14th-May-2019, 18:33.

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            The Iceage is coming,
            The Sun’s zooming in.
            Meltdown expected,
            The wheat is growing thin.
            Engine’s stop humming etc

            - Strummer/Jones
            "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

            Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

            Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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              Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
              The Iceage is coming,
              The Sun’s zooming in.
              Meltdown expected,
              The wheat is growing thin.
              Engine’s stop humming etc

              - Strummer/Jones
              Next few lines are also apt

              “Forget it, brother, you can go it alone
              London calling upon the zombies of death”


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                The Brexit party, it's backers, funders and it's links to some fairly shady characters are pretty startling

                https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/09/a...oots-part-one/

                https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/13/a...s-pr-makeover/

                https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/14/b...launder-money/
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                  Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post
                  The Brexit party, it's backers, funders and it's links to some fairly shady characters are pretty startling

                  https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/09/a...oots-part-one/

                  https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/13/a...s-pr-makeover/

                  https://bylinetimes.com/2019/05/14/b...launder-money/
                  All this crew look very damaged. Take Farage as an example (Ditto for Trump and his pervert father). Under the front of being a liberator one can sense huge (visceral unconscious and irrational) anger. This is the essence of what is going on here. They are pied pipers for misfits who experience the world as evil and the only solution they have is to destroy anything or anybody who they project their alienation onto. You can't reason with this as all reasoning is automatically bracketed as part of the conspiracy against them. This is why they buy into every whacko conspiracy theory going. It's really a psychosis. Conspiracy theories acted on have affected history seriously on many occasions. The guy who assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand which triggered WW1 was motivated by con. theories. ('Funnily' his attack plan failed and he was on his way home when, entirely by accident, he met the Duke's convoy which had been diverted from its original route by a tip off and he seized the moment to shoot him). If you want to see sense in it in the bigger picture maybe it's some societal pathology brought on by injustices resolving itself blindly. Hitler's father was never identified for certain (I think there is still uncertainty about that because his mother would not talk about it). But it seems Hitler thought he knew and this person was a jew. If you inject (psychological) poison into a young child you can create a monster.

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                    Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

                    All this crew look very damaged. Take Farage as an example (Ditto for Trump and his pervert father). Under the front of being a liberator one can sense huge (visceral unconscious and irrational) anger. This is the essence of what is going on here. They are pied pipers for misfits who experience the world as evil and the only solution they have is to destroy anything or anybody who they project their alienation onto. You can't reason with this as all reasoning is automatically bracketed as part of the conspiracy against them. This is why they buy into every whacko conspiracy theory going. It's really a psychosis. Conspiracy theories acted on have affected history seriously on many occasions. The guy who assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand which triggered WW1 was motivated by con. theories. ('Funnily' his attack plan failed and he was on his way home when, entirely by accident, he met the Duke's convoy which had been diverted from its original route by a tip off and he seized the moment to shoot him). If you want to see sense in it in the bigger picture maybe it's some societal pathology brought on by injustices resolving itself blindly. Hitler's father was never identified for certain (I think there is still uncertainty about that because his mother would not talk about it). But it seems Hitler thought he knew and this person was a jew. If you inject (psychological) poison into a young child you can create a monster.
                    and that sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory...

                    The British have a thing about Europe and both main parties have been pretending they are going to leave instead of saying it's too complicated / dangerous so Farage has found himself inside the 22 with the ball in his mits and no defence, he needs to take a few strides and swallow dive (which he definitely will ) over the line.
                    ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                    Originally Posted by mr chips
                    AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                      Originally posted by AdolphusGrigson View Post

                      and that sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory...

                      The British have a thing about Europe and both main parties have been pretending they are going to leave instead of saying it's too complicated / dangerous so Farage has found himself inside the 22 with the ball in his mits and no defence, he needs to take a few strides and swallow dive (which he definitely will ) over the line.
                      Wrong analogy. Farage is a ringer AND offside and the whistle went long ago. After the yarruping finishes he'll be red carded and suspended for life.

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                        Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

                        Wrong analogy. Farage is a ringer AND offside and the whistle went long ago. After the yarruping finishes he'll be red carded and suspended for life.
                        Wrong?

                        I didn't make any reference to his legality as a player (he could be a fan entering the field of play) whether the score would stand or if he would ever play again - just that he would fall over the line with the ball and celebrate like everybody's favourite ex-Saracen's player.
                        ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                        Originally Posted by mr chips
                        AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                          One of the unforeseen side effects of Brexit is that it is wiping out the adventure tourism industry in Ireland this year. A Tipperary family run business called Bikepark Ireland https://www.bikeparkireland.ie/ has had to close its doors this weekend. It employs 6 people and has a mountainbike park where you can rent bikes and basically blast down hills all day long with an army truck waiting at the bottom to take you back up to the top. They would have celebrated their 6th birthday this weekend. There's a cafe and bike shop on site also. In the last few years no Irish insurance company would even quote them so they, like many others in the adventure tourism industry had to get their quote from English insurance companies. However this year due to Brexit uncertainties English companies will not quote for Irish operations.
                          When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                            May will be gone by the end of June, whether there will be a caretaker prior to Boris taking over I don’t know. All set for the autumn general election!?!

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                              Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post
                              May will be gone by the end of June, whether there will be a caretaker prior to Boris taking over I don’t know. All set for the autumn general election!?!
                              That'll be fun.

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                                Originally posted by B.A. View Post
                                One of the unforeseen side effects of Brexit is that it is wiping out the adventure tourism industry in Ireland this year. A Tipperary family run business called Bikepark Ireland https://www.bikeparkireland.ie/ has had to close its doors this weekend. It employs 6 people and has a mountainbike park where you can rent bikes and basically blast down hills all day long with an army truck waiting at the bottom to take you back up to the top. They would have celebrated their 6th birthday this weekend. There's a cafe and bike shop on site also. In the last few years no Irish insurance company would even quote them so they, like many others in the adventure tourism industry had to get their quote from English insurance companies. However this year due to Brexit uncertainties English companies will not quote for Irish operations.
                                Whatever about Brexit - that is also a question for Irish insurance companies.
                                ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                                Originally Posted by mr chips
                                AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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