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    "To be energetic and self-sufficing is to be happy; but while one desire remains in the heart happiness may not come there. For to desire is to be incomplete: it is the badge of dependence, the signal of unhappiness, and to be freed from that is to be freed from every fetter that can possibly be forged." (James Stephens, Deirdre)

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      Seems that May has "privately" offered to stand down before the next general election in an attempt to win support ahead of the no-confidence vote.
      Tis but a scratch.

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        Originally posted by mr chips View Post
        Seems that May has "privately" offered to stand down before the next general election in an attempt to win support ahead of the no-confidence vote.
        This crap is what makes me shake my head the most to be honest, it's not about leaving the union at all, its about an internal power struggle within the corridors of Tory Hogwarts and has been all along.
        I am the million man.

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          Ian Birrell - who used to write speeches for David "let's settle it once and for all" Cameron - is pretty blunt about them:

          It is hard not to conclude that the Tory hard right are intent on destroying their party and handing the country to Jeremy Corbyn as they move to depose Theresa May at this point in the corrosive Brexit process. Yes, she has made a series of dire mistakes, including triggering article 50 with no idea of how to achieve departure from the European Union and then throwing away her party’s majority. But for all her many failures, now is not the time to oust her amid political deadlock and a national crisis.

          Has there ever been a bunch of more selfish politicians than these extremists, who have already sacrificed the previous three Tory prime ministers on the altar of their obsession with Europe? It was hard not to spew up my cereal listening to Bernard Jenkin, one of their shop stewards, claiming on the radio that “this is not a matter of self-indulgence … not a matter of one faction over another”. Once again, duplicitous chancers seek to deceive the electorate with cheap soundbites as they fight internal battles. Yet we can see with disturbing clarity now that Brexit could not be further from the national interest.

          Is it any wonder voters have lost faith with politicians as they observe such arrogant behaviour at Westminster? The Brexiteers, many having fled office after discovering the difficulty of turning shallow slogans into reality, still spout their platitudes, shift stances with slippery ease and fail to answer the complex questions they posed. Yet they blame the prime minister for failing to do their factional bidding. The Tory insurgents are driven by one thing only: taking back control of their own careers, regardless of any cost to a country they see merely as collateral damage. Look at how the repellent Boris Johnson jokes about his weight as he limbers up for another tilt at the leadership, despite his record for incompetence and laziness as foreign secretary.

          His oleaginous fellow Old Etonian Jacob Rees-Mogg marshals the army of hardliners. Yet it is fair to question whether anyone closely associated with the costly mess of Brexit, let alone these people who treat poorer citizens with such contempt, should ever be allowed close to power again.

          Meanwhile the jockeying for succession has started. So the supposedly loyal home secretary, Sajid Javid, has staked out his claim and even Esther McVey is acting coy over whether she wants the top job. “I’m quite enjoying this,” said one cabinet minister to me last night. “The country needs a revolution.”

          I am not enjoying this – not least since I have reported on revolutions in several nations, and know how they spin out of control, and nor, I suspect, are vast swaths of the country finding this fun. Most people desperately want politicians to focus on things that really matter such as our crumbling social care system, faltering health service and lack of affordable housing. Instead they witness pathetic, self-serving political games as the Tory civil war over Europe threatens to claim its next victim, even as the conflagration it has sparked threatens the country’s future.
          Tis but a scratch.

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            Originally posted by Cowboy View Post

            This crap is what makes me shake my head the most to be honest, it's not about leaving the union at all, its about an internal power struggle within the corridors of Tory Hogwarts and has been all along.
            The WHOLE story is only a question of personal ambition, from Cameron to May, through BoJo, Cove, Corbyn and co. We really have strange politicos in France, but we are not alone in that case when I folow what happens in UK.
            "To be energetic and self-sufficing is to be happy; but while one desire remains in the heart happiness may not come there. For to desire is to be incomplete: it is the badge of dependence, the signal of unhappiness, and to be freed from that is to be freed from every fetter that can possibly be forged." (James Stephens, Deirdre)

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              According to Rte news just now, and an ex advisor to Tony Blair, it seems May is likely to win this no confidence vote, which should then strengthen her hand dealing with her own in house Brexit hard liners, enabling her to guide the UK ultimately to a Norway style deal....

              so from the darkest hour comes some hope of sanity perhaps!!
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                interestingly this ex Advisor to Blair also said that the Labour party's next move should ultimately be to get this Brexit deal before the people in a referendum...

                watch that space...

                P.s. if Labour could manage to defeat Brexit (revoking article 50), usurp Ukip and by pass the DUP, they would restore my faith in them a bit anyhow!?!

                ​​​​​​even with Corbyn the trotsky at their head...
                Last edited by Daithi; 12th-December-2018, 19:28.
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                  Michael Heseltine who seems to have some grasp of reality gave his take a while ago on sky.
                  he thinks she will win vote but not get her deal through commons vote.
                  he thinks there will eventually be enough like minded people across all partys to support a peoples vote
                  Still there's a light I hold before me
                  You're the measure of my dreams
                  The measure of my dreams.

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                    May survives - 200 for, 117 against.
                    Tis but a scratch.

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                      May's deal v Remain in a referendum is the fairest most sensible way way forward.

                      Hopefully Tories (non ERG) and Labour will support this .SNP and LibDems shouldsbe in the bag. Dominic Grieve who is Mr Reasonable will probably propose this....hopefully
                      ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                      Originally Posted by mr chips
                      AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                        https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-46533245
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                          Hopefully you're right AG. As you say that would be the sensible choice to give the people now.
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                            Originally posted by Daithi View Post
                            Hopefully you're right AG. As you say that would be the sensible choice to give the people now.
                            Somehow party politics need to be set aside in the National interest.

                            A couple of weeks over Xmas and perhaps some poll results suggesting that people are pished off with the ERG and with Labour and Tory resistance to a 2nd referendum.


                            ​​​​​​#GiveLeinsterTheHCupNow

                            Originally Posted by mr chips
                            AG gets the responses he does because he is a journalist..

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                              If Brexit has highlighted one thing home to people that were previously unaware - its shown what a complete bunch of self serving baxtards the conservatives and DUP are.

                              How Catholics in the north have managed to put up with all the discrimination against them since the 1970's is beyond me.

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                                The Tories and the DUP (and ZANU FF!) always have and always will operate on the basis of doing what is best for the Country, while observing that what is best for The Party is what is best for the Country.

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