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    Originally posted by Wallyman View Post

    Except they didn't? The €40m for the school remedial works was spent over the course of months, not today, and they're sueing WBS. It's also less than planned for.

    The €5m is a problem Bertie Aherns FF government created over a decade ago.

    I'll all for bashing FG, but at least use stuff that's actual their fault.
    Except they aren’t.
    they are sueing WBS for two of the schools and WBS are suing them for payment for other schools that have been signed off by the government as completed.

    and blaming FF is a bit rich when FG have been at the helm for so long.

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      Originally posted by lawrence View Post
      45,000,000.00

      Yep €45 million.


      Thats the amount of money the government wasted TODAY. Just TODAY

      https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...ed-963250.html


      https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019...ireland-fined/
      "Of the 40 schools built by WBS during the Celtic Tiger era’s rapid building programme, 14 schools are understood to have been completely fixed. Remediation work on a further eight schools is due to begin in the new year".

      This is down to FF and God only knows what bribes might be alleged to have been paid not just to the overall contract but to the individual sites up and down the country, think back to the relocation of Govt Depts fiasco.

      The FF lads would have been a lot smarter about stuffing their pockets this time round as the Mahon Tribunal was running around this time and telling them how not to accept bribes, the offshore route was the one to take.

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        Yet the fg muppets in government will someone try and tell everyone that they are fiscally responsible...

        https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...htas-1.4092366

        “Significant” and costly structural works had to be carried out to fit a €808,000 state-of-the-art printer into the Houses of the Oireachtas offices in Leinster House.

        Internal emails show that Oireachtas officials miscalculated the measurements required for the Komori printer to fit into either of the two printing rooms in the building on Kildare Street.

        Documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show the Oireachtas estimated the work required to accommodate the printer would cost €236,000. This included tearing down walls and embedding structural steel in order to give it the height clearance it needs to operate.

        However, building sources have said the final bill for building works would have amounted to substantially more.

        The machine – which is 2.1m high by 1.9m wide – was delivered to Ireland on December 5th, 2018, by the UK manufacturer. But it was placed in storage in Ballymount Industrial Estate, with the company’s Dublin agent, Portman Graphics, because the relevant works had not been completed.

        The storage costs amounted to €2,000 a month, after an initial gratis period of four months. The total cost amounted to €12,000 when the printer was finally installed on September 28th, 2019, according to the documents.

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          Originally posted by Stanley View Post

          "Of the 40 schools built by WBS during the Celtic Tiger era’s rapid building programme, 14 schools are understood to have been completely fixed. Remediation work on a further eight schools is due to begin in the new year".

          This is down to FF and God only knows what bribes might be alleged to have been paid not just to the overall contract but to the individual sites up and down the country, think back to the relocation of Govt Depts fiasco.

          The FF lads would have been a lot smarter about stuffing their pockets this time round as the Mahon Tribunal was running around this time and telling them how not to accept bribes, the offshore route was the one to take.

          You can pretend this is a FF problem if you want, and they may have been at the helm for some of it but this is from 2018 it’s most likely that both (who now share a bed so well) are as incompetent as each other.

          https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...is-881552.html

          The Irish Examiner can separately reveal today that the department insisted three years ago there was no need to close any WBS schools after initial fears were uncovered — claiming checks had shown “no indication” of widescale serious safety flaws.


          FG are the party that continued to award WBS contracts after the fire defects had been identified and claimed that they didn’t need to close schools either.

          Attorney General consulted over awarding of school building contracts to WBS

          http://jrnl.ie/4303957
          Last edited by lawrence; 25-November-2019, 21:01.

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            Dara Murphy, who represented the Cork North Central constituency since 2011, was forced to step down after it emerged he was being paid €120,000 per year in Brussels by the EPP political group while simultaneously receiving a Dáil salary and expenses worth €150,000 per year.

            Dara Murphy’s resignation came just three weeks after Party Colleague Maria Bailey was de-selected for the forthcoming general election by Fine Gael after finding herself in trouble arising from a dubious insurance claim she made against The Dean Hotel in Dublin where, she said, she suffered an injury following a fall from a swing.!

            https://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/...borrowed-time/

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              Against all advice FG have decided to pipe water from the shannon to dublin where almost half of it will leak out and who are they putting in charge of this stupendous waste of money?
              Eoghan Murphy.
              Yes the guy that has failed to tackle the housing crises. The project is costed at €1,300,000,000 but once FG get their hand on that we all know it will turn out to be a multiple of that.

              https://www.thejournal.ie/irelands-l...47084-Oct2019/

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                Was told today that my daughters pre-school is probably not going to reopen in January because they can’t secure insurance. Apparently this is along with 1400 other places. Spoke to the owner, who runs a great business and they are gutted, will be employees gone and she has never had a claim, it’s possible that they will be quoted also but the figure will be to high but as it stands her current insurer isn’t going to renew at all.

                As much as I think the legal profession have a huge case to answer for the claims culture that exists the government hasn’t done enough, if anything in its time in charge.

                If a law can be brought into areas of Ireland (RPZ) to only allow landlords increase rent by 4% PA, then why can’t such a law exist for insurance companies, if a policy has no claims on it then the max increase allowed is only 4% PA.

                Run a good clean business and you still get screwed. If this doesn’t get sorted, and time is a major problem then a lot of parents will be calling in sick at the start of next year.

                I get my predicament is only slightly related here, but have FG actually done anything about the insurance / claims industry that exists here?

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                  Originally posted by lawrence View Post
                  Was told today that my daughters pre-school is probably not going to reopen in January because they can’t secure insurance. Apparently this is along with 1400 other places. Spoke to the owner, who runs a great business and they are gutted, will be employees gone and she has never had a claim, it’s possible that they will be quoted also but the figure will be to high but as it stands her current insurer isn’t going to renew at all.

                  As much as I think the legal profession have a huge case to answer for the claims culture that exists the government hasn’t done enough, if anything in its time in charge.

                  If a law can be brought into areas of Ireland (RPZ) to only allow landlords increase rent by 4% PA, then why can’t such a law exist for insurance companies, if a policy has no claims on it then the max increase allowed is only 4% PA.

                  Run a good clean business and you still get screwed. If this doesn’t get sorted, and time is a major problem then a lot of parents will be calling in sick at the start of next year.

                  I get my predicament is only slightly related here, but have FG actually done anything about the insurance / claims industry that exists here?
                  It is a ridiculous situation. This is more important than the FAI stuff and where are the Committee hearings? Bear in mind for this issue there is an independent Minister at the helm.

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                    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

                    It is a ridiculous situation. This is more important than the FAI stuff and where are the Committee hearings? Bear in mind for this issue there is an independent Minister at the helm.
                    They announced a 7million fund to be distributed to childcare facilities to help with insurance premiums.

                    Experience tells me that the insurance companies see this government injection as a reason to increase premiums by another bit, and won’t do anything about the actual cost of insurance. It’s just putting a small delay on the inevitable I feel and not how an industry should be run.

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                      The finance minister, dept of finance, financial regulator, central bank are all complicit in blatant profiteering by insurance companies.
                      And sure why wouldnt insurance companies gouge consumers when they see the way the government waste taxpayer moneys

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                        Only 3 weeks ago Varadkar was out canvassing with and supporting verona murphy.
                        That level of poor judgement will seriously damage fine gael come the election.

                        https://www.thejournal.ie/verona-mur...41168-Dec2019/

                        "She also made further comments linking migrants to the terrorist group and said that Isis had “manipulated children as young as three or four”

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                          Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
                          Only 3 weeks ago Varadkar was out canvassing with and supporting verona murphy.
                          That level of poor judgement will seriously damage fine gael come the election.

                          https://www.thejournal.ie/verona-mur...41168-Dec2019/

                          "She also made further comments linking migrants to the terrorist group and said that Isis had “manipulated children as young as three or four”

                          This furore, like a lot of political bush fires, is almost 100% about appearances rather than reality. The political 'elite' (rightly) fear allowing 'race' become a political topic and (assuming Murphy is not a racist) she is naive to try to start a debate about the dangers of Islamist extremism in Ireland because that will contribute zilch to dealing with the danger and everything to igniting the racist oriented elements in society.
                          In reality, there are a number of Islamist sympathizers (and potential sympathizers) in Ireland and the garda are quite active about and aware of this. They get intelligence from a certain number of concerned members of the Islamic community along with internationally shared information about known activists who have ended up here. It is a danger. For one thing the more extreme elements are indifferent to Ireland's record of sympathy for Islamic causes and would be prepared to have a 'spectacular' here if they could manage it but so far, for one thing, they have funneled resources such as the nut from Dundalk to areas of higher priority. The likes of Murphy running around hair on fire is just political opportunism and in reality unhelpful. She is naive and an eejit.
                          Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                            Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

                            This furore, like a lot of political bush fires, is almost 100% about appearances rather than reality. The political 'elite' (rightly) fear allowing 'race' become a political topic and (assuming Murphy is not a racist) she is naive to try to start a debate about the dangers of Islamist extremism in Ireland because that will contribute zilch to dealing with the danger and everything to igniting the racist oriented elements in society.
                            In reality, there are a number of Islamist sympathizers (and potential sympathizers) in Ireland and the garda are quite active about and aware of this. They get intelligence from a certain number of concerned members of the Islamic community along with internationally shared information about known activists who have ended up here. It is a danger. For one thing the more extreme elements are indifferent to Ireland's record of sympathy for Islamic causes and would be prepared to have a 'spectacular' here if they could manage it but so far, for one thing, they have funneled resources such as the nut from Dundalk to areas of higher priority. The likes of Murphy running around hair on fire is just political opportunism and in reality unhelpful. She is naive and an eejit.
                            Lol, thats some serious mental gymnastics you're attempting there.
                            You claim that its not 'reality' that ex fine gael candidate verona murphy made racist remarks and is not a racist? You 'assume' she is not a racist?
                            Who are you trying to cod? She's on record for racist remarks.

                            Varadkar knew this but didnt care and continued supporting her anyway. He even went canvassing with her ffs.

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                              Just in case anyone doubted just how badly out of touch the fine gael government are, they've just cancelled the party the celebration for the black & tans...

                              https://www.joe.ie/politics/ric-event-fine-gael-690383

                              Charlie Flanagan and Leo Varadkar remained adamant that the event was a good idea, and that it would go ahead, all the way up until the moment they changed their minds. In a statement issued on Tuesday evening, Flanagan blamed "the disappointing response of some". One way to put it.

                              It was climbdown of startling proportions.

                              On Twitter just this morning, Varadkar dismissed concerns surrounding the event, saying: "We should respect all traditions on our island and be mature enough as a State to acknowledge all aspects of our past."

                              It remains unclear what traditions he was referring to.

                              As a brief refresher, unnecessary for anybody besides perhaps Varadkar himself: The RIC are best remembered for the killing of civilians at Croke Park on Bloody Sunday, 1920. The Dublin Metropolitan Police, also to be commemorated, killed workers during the Lockout of 1913.

                              The Black and Tans, those most notorious of villains, who burned Cork and rampaged in Balbriggan, were definitionally a part of the RIC. These events are not part of any tradition besides Great Britain's tradition of persecuting the people of Ireland.

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                                Was it a celebration of the Black and Tans?
                                Commemorate Nevin Spence here -
                                http://www.mycharity.ie/event/munste..._nevin_spence/

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