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  • hellovating
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    well said Jackie... the past few weeks have shown us up.

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  • Jackie Brown
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    Originally posted by Jenta View Post

    Technically yes. The Black and Tans were members of the RIC, as were the Auxiliaries, they were just specially recruited and armed and operated independently.

    Even if you accept that this wasn't intended to be a commemoration of the military thugs recruited post-1919, it was still intended as a commemoration of the force that were largely responsible for the Bloody Sunday shootings in Croke Park.

    A fairly monumentally stupid idea to hold any sort of commemorative event of this fashion.
    Technically it was a commemoration of the RIC not a celebration of the Black and Tans. Sad how it's been twisted.

    My family had members killed and burnt out of their home in Cavan because my Great Grandfather went to France. The vermin who did this were seen as freedom fighters and held on a pedestal by the Irish state.

    I assume it's RIC bad, IRA good. Both were Irish men but it's the victors who write the history books. Maybe Ireland as a nation isn't as mature as it portrays.

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  • Jenta
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    Originally posted by Jackie Brown View Post
    Was it a celebration of the Black and Tans?
    Technically yes. The Black and Tans were members of the RIC, as were the Auxiliaries, they were just specially recruited and armed and operated independently.

    Even if you accept that this wasn't intended to be a commemoration of the military thugs recruited post-1919, it was still intended as a commemoration of the force that were largely responsible for the Bloody Sunday shootings in Croke Park.

    A fairly monumentally stupid idea to hold any sort of commemorative event of this fashion.

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  • Jackie Brown
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    Was it a celebration of the Black and Tans?

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  • Major TNT
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    Just in case anyone doubted just how badly out of touch the fine gael government are, they've just cancelled the party the celebration for the black & tans...

    https://www.joe.ie/politics/ric-event-fine-gael-690383

    Charlie Flanagan and Leo Varadkar remained adamant that the event was a good idea, and that it would go ahead, all the way up until the moment they changed their minds. In a statement issued on Tuesday evening, Flanagan blamed "the disappointing response of some". One way to put it.

    It was climbdown of startling proportions.

    On Twitter just this morning, Varadkar dismissed concerns surrounding the event, saying: "We should respect all traditions on our island and be mature enough as a State to acknowledge all aspects of our past."

    It remains unclear what traditions he was referring to.

    As a brief refresher, unnecessary for anybody besides perhaps Varadkar himself: The RIC are best remembered for the killing of civilians at Croke Park on Bloody Sunday, 1920. The Dublin Metropolitan Police, also to be commemorated, killed workers during the Lockout of 1913.

    The Black and Tans, those most notorious of villains, who burned Cork and rampaged in Balbriggan, were definitionally a part of the RIC. These events are not part of any tradition besides Great Britain's tradition of persecuting the people of Ireland.

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  • Major TNT
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    Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

    This furore, like a lot of political bush fires, is almost 100% about appearances rather than reality. The political 'elite' (rightly) fear allowing 'race' become a political topic and (assuming Murphy is not a racist) she is naive to try to start a debate about the dangers of Islamist extremism in Ireland because that will contribute zilch to dealing with the danger and everything to igniting the racist oriented elements in society.
    In reality, there are a number of Islamist sympathizers (and potential sympathizers) in Ireland and the garda are quite active about and aware of this. They get intelligence from a certain number of concerned members of the Islamic community along with internationally shared information about known activists who have ended up here. It is a danger. For one thing the more extreme elements are indifferent to Ireland's record of sympathy for Islamic causes and would be prepared to have a 'spectacular' here if they could manage it but so far, for one thing, they have funneled resources such as the nut from Dundalk to areas of higher priority. The likes of Murphy running around hair on fire is just political opportunism and in reality unhelpful. She is naive and an eejit.
    Lol, thats some serious mental gymnastics you're attempting there.
    You claim that its not 'reality' that ex fine gael candidate verona murphy made racist remarks and is not a racist? You 'assume' she is not a racist?
    Who are you trying to cod? She's on record for racist remarks.

    Varadkar knew this but didnt care and continued supporting her anyway. He even went canvassing with her ffs.

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  • tippete7trees
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    Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
    Only 3 weeks ago Varadkar was out canvassing with and supporting verona murphy.
    That level of poor judgement will seriously damage fine gael come the election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/verona-mur...41168-Dec2019/

    "She also made further comments linking migrants to the terrorist group and said that Isis had “manipulated children as young as three or four”

    This furore, like a lot of political bush fires, is almost 100% about appearances rather than reality. The political 'elite' (rightly) fear allowing 'race' become a political topic and (assuming Murphy is not a racist) she is naive to try to start a debate about the dangers of Islamist extremism in Ireland because that will contribute zilch to dealing with the danger and everything to igniting the racist oriented elements in society.
    In reality, there are a number of Islamist sympathizers (and potential sympathizers) in Ireland and the garda are quite active about and aware of this. They get intelligence from a certain number of concerned members of the Islamic community along with internationally shared information about known activists who have ended up here. It is a danger. For one thing the more extreme elements are indifferent to Ireland's record of sympathy for Islamic causes and would be prepared to have a 'spectacular' here if they could manage it but so far, for one thing, they have funneled resources such as the nut from Dundalk to areas of higher priority. The likes of Murphy running around hair on fire is just political opportunism and in reality unhelpful. She is naive and an eejit.

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  • Major TNT
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    Only 3 weeks ago Varadkar was out canvassing with and supporting verona murphy.
    That level of poor judgement will seriously damage fine gael come the election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/verona-mur...41168-Dec2019/

    "She also made further comments linking migrants to the terrorist group and said that Isis had “manipulated children as young as three or four”

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  • Major TNT
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    The finance minister, dept of finance, financial regulator, central bank are all complicit in blatant profiteering by insurance companies.
    And sure why wouldnt insurance companies gouge consumers when they see the way the government waste taxpayer moneys

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  • lawrence
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    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

    It is a ridiculous situation. This is more important than the FAI stuff and where are the Committee hearings? Bear in mind for this issue there is an independent Minister at the helm.
    They announced a 7million fund to be distributed to childcare facilities to help with insurance premiums.

    Experience tells me that the insurance companies see this government injection as a reason to increase premiums by another bit, and won’t do anything about the actual cost of insurance. It’s just putting a small delay on the inevitable I feel and not how an industry should be run.

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  • The Last Stand
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    Originally posted by lawrence View Post
    Was told today that my daughters pre-school is probably not going to reopen in January because they can’t secure insurance. Apparently this is along with 1400 other places. Spoke to the owner, who runs a great business and they are gutted, will be employees gone and she has never had a claim, it’s possible that they will be quoted also but the figure will be to high but as it stands her current insurer isn’t going to renew at all.

    As much as I think the legal profession have a huge case to answer for the claims culture that exists the government hasn’t done enough, if anything in its time in charge.

    If a law can be brought into areas of Ireland (RPZ) to only allow landlords increase rent by 4% PA, then why can’t such a law exist for insurance companies, if a policy has no claims on it then the max increase allowed is only 4% PA.

    Run a good clean business and you still get screwed. If this doesn’t get sorted, and time is a major problem then a lot of parents will be calling in sick at the start of next year.

    I get my predicament is only slightly related here, but have FG actually done anything about the insurance / claims industry that exists here?
    It is a ridiculous situation. This is more important than the FAI stuff and where are the Committee hearings? Bear in mind for this issue there is an independent Minister at the helm.

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  • lawrence
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    Was told today that my daughters pre-school is probably not going to reopen in January because they can’t secure insurance. Apparently this is along with 1400 other places. Spoke to the owner, who runs a great business and they are gutted, will be employees gone and she has never had a claim, it’s possible that they will be quoted also but the figure will be to high but as it stands her current insurer isn’t going to renew at all.

    As much as I think the legal profession have a huge case to answer for the claims culture that exists the government hasn’t done enough, if anything in its time in charge.

    If a law can be brought into areas of Ireland (RPZ) to only allow landlords increase rent by 4% PA, then why can’t such a law exist for insurance companies, if a policy has no claims on it then the max increase allowed is only 4% PA.

    Run a good clean business and you still get screwed. If this doesn’t get sorted, and time is a major problem then a lot of parents will be calling in sick at the start of next year.

    I get my predicament is only slightly related here, but have FG actually done anything about the insurance / claims industry that exists here?

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  • Major TNT
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    Against all advice FG have decided to pipe water from the shannon to dublin where almost half of it will leak out and who are they putting in charge of this stupendous waste of money?
    Eoghan Murphy.
    Yes the guy that has failed to tackle the housing crises. The project is costed at €1,300,000,000 but once FG get their hand on that we all know it will turn out to be a multiple of that.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irelands-l...47084-Oct2019/

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  • Major TNT
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    Dara Murphy, who represented the Cork North Central constituency since 2011, was forced to step down after it emerged he was being paid €120,000 per year in Brussels by the EPP political group while simultaneously receiving a Dáil salary and expenses worth €150,000 per year.

    Dara Murphy’s resignation came just three weeks after Party Colleague Maria Bailey was de-selected for the forthcoming general election by Fine Gael after finding herself in trouble arising from a dubious insurance claim she made against The Dean Hotel in Dublin where, she said, she suffered an injury following a fall from a swing.!

    https://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/...borrowed-time/

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  • lawrence
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    Originally posted by Stanley View Post

    "Of the 40 schools built by WBS during the Celtic Tiger era’s rapid building programme, 14 schools are understood to have been completely fixed. Remediation work on a further eight schools is due to begin in the new year".

    This is down to FF and God only knows what bribes might be alleged to have been paid not just to the overall contract but to the individual sites up and down the country, think back to the relocation of Govt Depts fiasco.

    The FF lads would have been a lot smarter about stuffing their pockets this time round as the Mahon Tribunal was running around this time and telling them how not to accept bribes, the offshore route was the one to take.

    You can pretend this is a FF problem if you want, and they may have been at the helm for some of it but this is from 2018 it’s most likely that both (who now share a bed so well) are as incompetent as each other.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...is-881552.html

    The Irish Examiner can separately reveal today that the department insisted three years ago there was no need to close any WBS schools after initial fears were uncovered — claiming checks had shown “no indication” of widescale serious safety flaws.


    FG are the party that continued to award WBS contracts after the fire defects had been identified and claimed that they didn’t need to close schools either.

    Attorney General consulted over awarding of school building contracts to WBS

    http://jrnl.ie/4303957
    Last edited by lawrence; 25th-November-2019, 22:01.

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