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    Originally posted by B.A. View Post
    Being honest with you McCloud, imho the behaviour I saw from the jobstown footage, the whole bloody lot of them should be locked up as it was disgraceful and if you think that sort of thing is acceptable in society then we have very different values. As was mentioned above it was hubris on behalf of the guards to think they could convict them on incarceration charges. The likes of this behaviour and troglodytes like Je Suis Derek screaming abuse and sticking camera phones in people's faces does nothing for the socialist cause in Ireland. As for Murphy, he isn't fit to lace Joe Higgins' shoes.

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    The Gardaí don't decide that though BA. Not in a case like this.

    Who is and isn't prosecuted, what they are and are not prosecuted for and what Courts these cases take place in is decided by the DPP. (an accused person can opt for a higher Court or a lower Court can refuse a case if it deems it too serious)

    Gardaí gather evidence, assemble and present that evidence and make recommendations....but the decisions are those of the DPP solely.

    Sure in smaller summary cases Gardaí initiate prosecutions with a blanket consent of sorts from the DPP.

    False Imprisonment does seem a big step to prove from a disorderly Protest. Even a violent one if it was that.I would imagine the DPP placed emphasis on the statements of those, likely Gardaí, who state they heard Murphy say certain things.

    Murphy denied saying these things I believe....but if he didn't give evidence those denials are meaningless. The CCTV must have painted a different picture for the jury


    Thats all guess work though. I wasn't at the trial to hear the facts so I can't say anything for sure.
    Last edited by Corcíoch; 1st-July-2017, 13:38.

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  • B.A.
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    Being honest with you McCloud, imho the behaviour I saw from the jobstown footage, the whole bloody lot of them should be locked up as it was disgraceful and if you think that sort of thing is acceptable in society then we have very different values. As was mentioned above it was hubris on behalf of the guards to think they could convict them on incarceration charges. The likes of this behaviour and troglodytes like Je Suis Derek screaming abuse and sticking camera phones in people's faces does nothing for the socialist cause in Ireland. As for Murphy, he isn't fit to lace Joe Higgins' shoes.

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  • McCloud
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    Originally posted by B.A. View Post
    He'll be like Joan of Arc now claiming martyrdom notwithstanding his defence claimed he was only trying to stop people incarcerating Burton in the car thus attempting to save his own skin and hanging de wurkers out to dry.

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    Well BA the establishment handed him that "martydom" so good luck to him. BTW he was found not guilty or do you not accept the findings of a jury who listened to the whole case?

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  • Grandpasimpson
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    Originally posted by McCloud View Post
    Well that was a total waste of tax payers money. Would I be right to be thinking that 180 guards testified and their testimony was found to be "incorrect"? Allegedly.
    I was a juror in a substantial case 2 years ago, it was shocking how poor the Gardai's reports and testimony were. Our incident reports at work would far outstrip theirs and we aren't trying to put armed criminals in jail for 15 years.

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  • B.A.
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    He'll be like Joan of Arc now claiming martyrdom notwithstanding his defence claimed he was only trying to stop people incarcerating Burton in the car thus attempting to save his own skin and hanging de wurkers out to dry.

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    Last edited by B.A.; 30th-June-2017, 09:59.

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  • My2Cents
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    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
    So the guards were equally as incompetent with Seanie as they were with your pals. Sure that's equality.
    Seanie's case was mucked up by the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement not the gardaí and he was acquitted by a judge not a jury. In this case, a jury decided there was nothing to the charges (lesser public order offences might have stuck) contrast this to the poor young fella in the Children's Court convicted by a judge although at least he only got the probation act rather than a criminal record.

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  • Rebel Yell
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    The charges set by the DPP seemed from the outset to be excessive especially when it's a jury of one's peers that needed to be convinced. The case is an embarrassment to the state and given those who engage in anti social behaviour a boost. Surely there were more appropriate public order offences they could of been charged with and surely gardai could have got her out of the protest in a more efficient manner.

    Haven't heard garda evidence in it but Brutons secretary's testimony where she said how terrifying it was and never experienced anything like it and was then rebuked by the defence showing clips of her joking and laughing during it and admitting that she herself took part in shell to sea, undermined the whole charges.

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    Originally posted by McCloud View Post
    Well that was a total waste of tax payers money. Would I be right to be thinking that 180 guards testified and their testimony was found to be "incorrect"? Allegedly.
    No idea but the Judge made stern comments where there were serious questions asked about the manner in which the Investigation was conducted on the day of their arrests.

    The whole thing smacks of an investigation being run by Officers looking to impress Politicians.....who of course until just very recently are the ones who promote these Officers.

    I have no clue about the trial itself, myself. Paid no attention to it bar reading about some of the judgement
    Last edited by Corcíoch; 30th-June-2017, 08:05.

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  • Waterfordlad
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    Originally posted by McCloud View Post
    Well that was a total waste of tax payers money. Would I be right to be thinking that 180 guards testified and their testimony was found to be "incorrect"? Allegedly.
    360 if you use breathe test mathematics

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  • Hugged Rugger
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    Now he wants an enquiry which will cost more money and time

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  • McCloud
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    Well that was a total waste of tax payers money. Would I be right to be thinking that 180 guards testified and their testimony was found to be "incorrect"? Allegedly.

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  • The Last Stand
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    So the guards were equally as incompetent with Seanie as they were with your pals. Sure that's equality.

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  • Major TNT
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    Well guards did tell lies in court, thats perjury.

    What a pity noirin, her minions and the DPP didnt invest as much energy securing the conviction of seanie fitz as they did trying to wrongfully convict protesters.

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  • B.A.
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    Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post
    It is a conspiracy by the guards.
    Denis O'Brien was behind it

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  • The Last Stand
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    Originally posted by B.A. View Post
    Well he got off, hopefully he'll learn a lesson that you can't act like a cu*t and claim peaceful protest but more than likely he'll see it as vindication.
    It is a conspiracy by the guards.

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