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    Rotherham Scandal

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0826/639...rham-uk-abuse/

    Around 1,400 children were sexually exploited in one UK town over a 16-year period, according to a report.

    The report on events in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, between 1997 and 2013, found that in more than a third of these cases the children were already known to agencies.

    It said there had been "blatant" collective failures by the council's leadership.

    Watch: Report finds at least 1,400 children subject to abuse in Rotherham

    Professor Alexis Jay, who wrote the report, said she found examples of "children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally-violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone".

    Prof Jay said: "They were raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten and intimidated."

    She said she found that girls as young as 11 had been raped by large numbers of men.

    The report said failures of the political and officer leadership of Rotherham Council over the first 12 years she looked at were "blatant" as the seriousness of the problem was underplayed by senior managers and was not seen as a priority by South Yorkshire Police.

    Prof Jay said police "regarded many child victims with contempt".

    These failures happened despite three reports between 2002 and 2006 "which could not have been clearer in the description of the situation in Rotherham".

    She said the first of these reports was "effectively suppressed" because senior officers did not believe the data.

    The other two were ignored, the professor said.
    The report said: "By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims."

    But, she said, councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem which they hoped would go away and "several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist".

    She said: "Others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so."

    The spotlight first fell on Rotherham in 2010 when five men, described by a judge as "sexual predators", were given lengthy jail terms after they were found guilty of grooming teenage girls for sex.

    The prosecution was the first of a series of high-profile cases in the last four years that have revealed the exploitation of young girls in towns and cities including Rochdale, Derby and Oxford.

    Following the 2010 case, The Times newspaper claimed that details from 200 restricted-access documents showed how police and child protection agencies in the South Yorkshire town had extensive knowledge of these activities for a decade, yet a string of offences went unprosecuted.

    The allegations led to a range of official investigations, including one by the Home Affairs Select Committee.

    The report concluded: "No one knows the true scale of the child sexual exploitation (CSE) in Rotherham over the years.

    "Our conservative estimate is that approximately 1,400 children were sexually exploited over the full inquiry period, from 1997 to 2013."

    In response, Rotherham Council, which commissioned the report, said it accepted its findings, including the statement that failures "almost without exception" were attributed to senior managers in child protection services, elected councillors and senior police officers.

    It accepted that failures were not down to "frontline social or youth workers who are acknowledged in the report as repeatedly raising serious concerns about the nature and extent of this kind of child abuse".
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    #2
    The report is horrifying. I've assumed that this is the group that were convicted last year, but it sounds like that was the tip of the iceberg.
    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

    "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


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      #3
      http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-28934963

      That was only 5 men, there is 29 attempted convictions in Rotherham alone, police wont say how many were successful. This is systemic coverup comparable only to the catholic church, except its happening in the last few years. A huge chunk of the asian communities must have known this was going on, as for South Yorkshire police what the hell have they being doing
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        #4
        Originally posted by sewa View Post
        http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-28934963

        That was only 5 men, there is 29 attempted convictions in Rotherham alone, police wont say how many were successful. This is systemic coverup comparable only to the catholic church, except its happening in the last few years. A huge chunk of the asian communities must have known this was going on, as for South Yorkshire police what the hell have they being doing
        Reading the coverage yesterday, it seems that at one point a man admitted having sex with a 12 year old and they duly handed out a caution.

        A CID officer in a meeting with care agencies said they shouldn't prosecute a case because the 12 year old in question (not sure if it was the same case) had consented.

        Weirdly, though, it doesn't even seem to have been a cover up. Everyone knew what was happening, and the police and council seem to have been perfectly open in their refusal to do anything about it. It's just that next to no one seems to have given a **** what happened to these kids.

        Inevitable questions about who knew what in the Pakistani community, but I'm not sure that sort of complicity was the issue really. There are cases of fathers tracking down their underage daughters to the houses where this was happening, and being arrested for disorder offences in trying to extract them.

        It seems to have happened in plain view, with the council and police both aware of the issue and choosing not to act. The council leader has stepped down, but that's the extent of the departures. Not so long ago, a rake of them would have been headed to the library with a pint of port and a revolver - and probably rightly.

        And from the police force that brought us Hillsborough, and the subsequent cover up, nothing else should be expected. South Yorkshire Police is a criminal enterprise.
        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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          #5
          http://www.theguardian.com/society/l...-live-coverage

          Yeah, I read the Guardian. Couple of big bosses move jobs and its all forgotten about, we dealt with it time to move on. At what point do the police and social services all just forget these are children?
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            #6
            http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...tation-capital

            The putrid mess that oozes from the 160 pages of Alexis Jay's report into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham is so thick that one gags rather than read the words.
            Children in the town were systematically identified by gangs as vulnerable, seduced with drugs and drink, brainwashed into believing they were in a relationship with an adult and then used for sex, often raped before sometimes being trafficked to nearby cities to work as prostitutes.
            The brutal violence that surrounded this depraved process was shocking. Children who refused to acquiesce to ever more macabre demands were doused in petrol, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and told they would be next if they told anyone.
            While some of this will be familiar to a British public which has been appalled by the revelations tumbling out of high-profile child abuse cases since 2010, Jay's report lays bare a mephitic hole in Yorkshire.
            Over 16 years, she says, a "conservative estimate" is that 1,400 children were sexually exploited in the town. Girls as young as 11 were gang-raped by men.
            This level of abuse appears to make Rotherham the nation's child sex exploitation capital. If the town's experience was replicated across the country, England would have 19,000 children criminally abused by gangs every year. The children's commissioner thinks that at the moment the figure is about 2,000.
            It's not as if there was a lack of evidence of a growing problem on Rotherham's streets.
            Internal reports from a decade ago revealed "links between child sexual exploitation and drugs, guns and criminality".
            Schools raised the alert about children being picked up "by taxis, given presents and mobile phones and taken to meet large numbers of unknown males".
            What allowed these crimes to continue was not just that abused children were cowed into silence or mentally enslaved by older men, but that even when they spoke out they were met by a culture of disbelief from the authorities.
            Time and time again, police and social workers appear to talk of mothers being unable to deal with children "growing up".
            In one instance, a girl of 12 was groomed, raped and then trafficked. The authorities "blamed the child … for placing herself at risk".
            In another case an 11-year-old girl had been sexually assaulted, then a year later found drunk in a car with a suspected abuser who had taken indecent pictures of her on his phone. She was declared to be at "no risk of sexual exploitation".
            Many of the children came from poorer backgrounds and troubled homes and were in care. The suspicion is that council officials and police officers considered them part of an underclass who were not so much the victims of crime as authors of their own misfortunes.
            That the local administration and police knew about the problems and chose not to prevent them clearly shows something is rotten in Rotherham.
            Even today, young people are afraid to use taxis in the town, preferring to catch buses than be taken on the "longest, darkest route home" and be peppered with "flirtatious or suggestive" conversation about sex.
            What made South Yorkshire perhaps more politically charged is that in many cases the victims were underage white girls and the perpetrators were Asian men.
            There were other abuse cases – in Oxford and Telford – with the same mix of ethnicities.
            The far right had a field day with slogans which cast Muslim men as dangerous paedophiles. The tabloids leapt on remarks made in 2012 by the judge in a widely reported Rochdale case, Gerald Clifton, who in sentencing nine Asian men for 77 years for abusing and raping up to 47 girls said: "I believe one of the factors which led to that is that they [the victims] were not of your community or religion."
            Andrew Norfolk, the Times's dogged and brilliant reporter who broke the story in Rochdale, has always said the "overwhelming majority of child abusers in this country are white men acting on their own".
            However, his own analysis was that race was important to discuss because council staff feared "treading into a cultural minefield".
            The report accepts that the concern of being labelled a racist did mean people pulled back from probing too deeply.
            However, there must be an acceptance that perpetrators were criminals rather than Muslims. Surely the crime of a young girl being raped should have led officials to act, whatever the colour of the skin of her assailant?
            What is clear is that the rot is more than the sum of individual abuses. It is the perception of a cosy, indifferent bureaucracy – social workers, councillors and police officers who could not face up to do something about terrible crimes partly because of their prejudices about the poor and partly because they were concerned about being labelled as prejudiced against Asians.
            The effect is that the scandal goes beyond its shocking details and raises the question: just how are poor and vulnerable children being looked after in England?



            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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              #7
              You have to anticipate that this isn't an isolated case. What seems to underping the police response is an impression that these girls were scum. Many of them will have come from families known to the police, there's a pattern of vulnerable kids with substance abuse and mental health issues in their families.

              The contempt they were held in just drips off the reports of the police response.
              "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

              "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


              "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                #8
                That is disgusting...
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                  #9
                  And we look at the gang rapes in the likes of India, express our horror and come out with all sorts condemning their culture but here this is going on in plain view, as it did here in Ireland, yet we think ourselves as better.
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                    #10
                    Was reading about this last night and thought of starting a thread on it but was just too disheartened by it all. I'd heard of it alright but didn't realise the sheer scale of it all, together with the indifference of those whose responsibility it was to prevent it. The number of ways people find to treat others with complete savagery is getting to me.

                    Originally posted by Grandpasimpson View Post
                    And we look at the gang rapes in the likes of India, express our horror and come out with all sorts condemning their culture but here this is going on in plain view, as it did here in Ireland, yet we think ourselves as better.

                    I wouldn't say we think of ourselves as better in terms of "we Irish are better than them Indians" or whatever, but I'd have no issue in saying that I'm better than any of these perpetrators, whether it's a highly organised and pervasive local "hub" as in Rotherham, a ubiquitous culture of predatory opportunism as in India (where the widespread lack of toilet facilities means girls and women are most at risk when they go out in the dark to defecate in a field) or those who exploit their perceived moral impeccability and higher socio-cultural status such as the catholic church around the world. Anyone who would do this sort of thing is simply a horrendous bastard, regardless of their background.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mr chips View Post
                      Was reading about this last night and thought of starting a thread on it but was just too disheartened by it all. I'd heard of it alright but didn't realise the sheer scale of it all, together with the indifference of those whose responsibility it was to prevent it. The number of ways people find to treat others with complete savagery is getting to me.




                      I wouldn't say we think of ourselves as better in terms of "we Irish are better than them Indians" or whatever, but I'd have no issue in saying that I'm better than any of these perpetrators, whether it's a highly organised and pervasive local "hub" as in Rotherham, a ubiquitous culture of predatory opportunism as in India (where the widespread lack of toilet facilities means girls and women are most at risk when they go out in the dark to defecate in a field) or those who exploit their perceived moral impeccability and higher socio-cultural status such as the catholic church around the world. Anyone who would do this sort of thing is simply a horrendous bastard, regardless of their background.
                      An Indian woman was interviewed on Matt Cooper a few weeks back and she said 1 in every 2 Indian women has suffered sexual abuse. I can't remember her name but she's a Bollywood actress who is currently doing a play based on the woman who died from being gang-raped.
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                        #12
                        I despair when I read these cases. The scale of it is shocking
                        "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                        Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

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                          #13
                          This all went unpunished for as long as it did because the organisations involved were afraid of being branded racist by those in power at Rotherham Town Hall and Whitehall.

                          I fear if Labour were still in charge this abuse would still be going on.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Liam2me View Post
                            This all went unpunished for as long as it did because the organisations involved were afraid of being branded racist by those in power at Rotherham Town Hall and Whitehall.

                            I fear if Labour were still in charge this abuse would still be going on.
                            Your first accusation has been explicitly rejected in the report, which stated that there was no evidence at all that care workers had been inhibited in their work by issues of the perpetrators ethnicity.

                            The second one is both preposterous and offensive. Do you think Gordon Brown was involved in some sort of cover up on behalf of Rotherham council? Labour still control the council - hence the resignation of the council leader. The first convictions were in 2010, only a few months after the general election. The notion that a Labour government sat on these allegations is ludicrous. The MP for Keighley at the time is on the record as lobbying social services and police for greater action.
                            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                              #15
                              The scale of it is down to how they view women and non muslims. Even when it was being investigated the women in the asian communities were not allowed speak to police, a bunch of old men did the talking instead
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