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    Would it be a good idea to change the capital of the Country?

    With the recent Dublin centric 'recovery', this is something that has crossed my mind.

    Dublin is, and always will be, the economic powerhouse of the country. That's it's main role. But should it also the be the political powerhouse of the Country, will all that goes with that? There is a massive imbalance between not just Dublin and the rest, but the east and the rest. For such a small Country to have a such a faultline is unhealthy. It is the primary focus of jobs, of infrastructure, and ever more so for political power and influence.

    For Dublin itself, it would be a good move. The place is bursting at the seams. The recession provided relief, but already with a bit of plastic recovery we're seeing the physical pressure and constraints taking their toll. Counties as far out as Monaghan and Carlow are turning into commuter communities. Moving the political centre of the state away from the City would provide a relief rather than weaken it in anyway.

    I'm not saying moving the capital from Dublin would automatically create an equal balance between it and the new capital, but it would lead to a far healthier balance of political, social and, to a certain extent, economic influence. For such a widely known country, only one City is widely known. For Scotland, see Glasgow and Edinburgh. For Portugal, see Lisbon, Porto. For Belgium see Brussels, Ghent and Anderlecht. If a foreign investor comes into Ireland fresh, all he's thinking location wise is Dublin, it's all that makes sense. The Country needs another node or anchor point for interest, investment and focus.

    1 note - for the sake of pissing contests, let's just lump Cork and Limerick as the same option - either both as great as the next, or both as dilapidated and in need of the boost. The question should be weather we move to either of the "next 2" or go even further and look at smaller Cities like Waterford or Galway and create a mini Washington DC.
    18
    Yes - to Cork or Limerick
    38.89%
    7
    Yes to - to Galway or Waterford
    5.56%
    1
    No - Pointless gimmick and a waste of money
    55.56%
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    "There are probably more annoying things than being hectored about African development by a wealthy Irish rock star in a cowboy hat, but I can't think of one at the moment"

    Paul Theroux

    #2
    It's ridiculous, I think that there is under serious consideration a project to pipe water from the Shannon to Dublin " because Dublin will not be able to develop further without an additional water supply"

    Would it not make more sense to say "Dublin has developed to its maximum potential. Let's start to develop other cities to their potential"

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      #3
      Interesting suggestion . . it sounds like a nightmare having to live and work in Dubland.

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        #4
        Same situation here in UK.London is akin to another country seperate from rest of UK
        Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth. (Marcus Aurelius, 121-189 AD)

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          #5
          Originally posted by Pixie View Post
          Same situation here in UK.London is akin to another country seperate from rest of UK
          ala Stockholm, Cardiff, Oslo, Athens,Rome, Berlin, Belfast(coughs), Prague etc
          It ain't unique to this Ireland but an issue common to European Capitalism
          Gwan Joe!!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Piquet View Post
            It's ridiculous, I think that there is under serious consideration a project to pipe water from the Shannon to Dublin " because Dublin will not be able to develop further without an additional water supply"

            Would it not make more sense to say "Dublin has developed to its maximum potential. Let's start to develop other cities to their potential"
            You're wandering into the bureaucracy minefield that is 'joined up thinking' or strategic planning.

            The issue is our governance and the quality of folk making decisions on where and how our nation develops economically and socially.

            Poor decision making and picking low hanging fruit have:

            Phucked this country for decades.
            Created a schism between Dublin and the rest.
            Created the jobs for the boys nepotistic environment we are seeing day to day in Ireland.
            I am the million man.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Pixie View Post
              Same situation here in UK.London is akin to another country seperate from rest of UK
              GLA would be the 7th biggest economy in Europe on its own. Its a global superpower, Dublin is a small city in continental terms.
              I am the million man.

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                #8
                Cardiff has only been capital city of Wales since 1955 believe it or not.
                Its amazing the growth its gone through in 60 years.
                But of course, Cardiff grew a huge amount in the 18th and 19th centuries, and it was where the money was.

                Murder ****ville and Aberystwyth and a few others went up against Cardiff for capital. Wales could have looked completely different has it gone to Aber or Merthyr.
                Last edited by Huwie; 30th-June-2014, 19:44.
                The axe that cuts the tree can easily forget, but the tree thats been cut will not forget.

                Originally posted by the plastic paddy
                Gwan the Welsh

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                  #9
                  Dublin is at the heart of terrible, terrible governance. The fact that all motorways are radial, with minimal connectivity, is a good example. A motorway between Cork and Limerick, and on to Galway, would be by far and away the best return. Instead, because the Minister thinks the planet ends at the M50, we have complete sacrifice to local interests, and better roads between Kerry one-horse towneens than between major urban areas of this state. Kilkenny is a large town, yet that was prioritised instead of linking cities with resultant benefits for all. The airports are a similar saga; Rosslare being pushed when it's an artificial ****-up; the list goes on.

                  I don't particularly care what the rest of ye do, but I am only half-joking when I say I really would prefer Cork to be able to make its own decisions in a federal manner, something akin to Catalunya. Over-centralisation combined with obeisance to political whim have been disastrous, and I have had more than enough of it.
                  Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                    You're wandering into the bureaucracy minefield that is 'joined up thinking' or strategic planning.

                    The issue is our governance and the quality of folk making decisions on where and how our nation develops economically and socially.

                    Poor decision making and picking low hanging fruit have:

                    Phucked this country for decades.
                    Created a schism between Dublin and the rest.
                    Created the jobs for the boys nepotistic environment we are seeing day to day in Ireland.
                    We've had 2 attempts at "rebalancing" so far.

                    The first was the National Spatial Strategy, which basically "everywhere will grow!!!". Tullamore and Athlone were put at the same level as Cork and Limerick. It drew fuzzy blue line from Waterford to Letterkenny and said the entire west of the Country would counterbalance Dublin. The first problem was this was a nonsense approach, the second was that even if it was going to work it was totally disregarded in the actual infrastructure development it was supposed to guide.

                    The second was decentralisation. Decentralisation would actually have worked very well in my view, except instead of relocating to the regional Cities and major Towns, the list for decentralisation for small market Towns scattered all over the place. Interesting, it was announced after the National Spatial Strategy and went totally against it's policies. It was simply an election stunt by Pinko to spread as much love as possible.

                    Aside from saying everywhere gets something, we should say we're focusing on Cork and Limerick, and that with growth in those 2 Cities Waterford, Galway and bigger regional areas should expect to see the benefits of those Cities thriving.
                    "There are probably more annoying things than being hectored about African development by a wealthy Irish rock star in a cowboy hat, but I can't think of one at the moment"

                    Paul Theroux

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by busby View Post
                      We've had 2 attempts at "rebalancing" so far.

                      The first was the National Spatial Strategy, which basically "everywhere will grow!!!". Tullamore and Athlone were put at the same level as Cork and Limerick. It drew fuzzy blue line from Waterford to Letterkenny and said the entire west of the Country would counterbalance Dublin. The first problem was this was a nonsense approach, the second was that even if it was going to work it was totally disregarded in the actual infrastructure development it was supposed to guide.

                      The second was decentralisation. Decentralisation would actually have worked very well in my view, except instead of relocating to the regional Cities and major Towns, the list for decentralisation for small market Towns scattered all over the place. Interesting, it was announced after the National Spatial Strategy and went totally against it's policies. It was simply an election stunt by Pinko to spread as much love as possible.

                      Aside from saying everywhere gets something, we should say we're focusing on Cork and Limerick, and that with growth in those 2 Cities Waterford, Galway and bigger regional areas should expect to see the benefits of those Cities thriving.
                      Create proper links between Cork and Limerick, and Cork and Waterford (Limerick to Galway's largely fine now), and you have an arc of interconnected urban areas, one of which is, I grant, considerably larger than the others, but which arc has a population of the guts of a million. With that interconnection, when it should be realistically no more than an hour and a half on any leg of that arc, people, services and goods can move efficiently along those links. And when you can do that, business will follow, because it's easy and efficient to do business. And then, you'll see other urban areas on the radii out from Dublin to that arc benefitting in turn because business can locate there and service business in either direction.

                      But, instead, we loaded it all into Dublin, trashing all proper infrastructural development, and added in pork-barrel so de Boort and Ahern could buy another election. Worst of all worlds, and we live instead with the ****-up it created.
                      Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                        #12
                        "political powerhouse of the Country" seriously busby have you not noticed the political pygmies we have up there? Would it not be better to direct any anger to the so called public representatives who inhabit the gilded halls of Leinster house and ask them what they are doing for their area?
                        Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by McCloud View Post
                          "political powerhouse of the Country" seriously busby have you not noticed the political pygmies we have up there? Would it not be better to direct any anger to the so called public representatives who inhabit the gilded halls of Leinster house and ask them what they are doing for their area?
                          That's part of the problem. You end up with pork-addled creatures like Pee Flynn, Willie O'Deeeeeeeeeee and the Gargling Gob****es Healy-Raes ****ing over any concept of the national good for their own piss-ant bailiwick.
                          Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                            #14
                            Would it be a good idea to change the capital of the Country?

                            You only have to look at the road between Limerick and Cork to see what 'the Dublin government' think of the rest of the country.
                            Last edited by Viigand; 30th-June-2014, 20:53. Reason: sp

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Thomond78 View Post
                              That's part of the problem. You end up with pork-addled creatures like Pee Flynn, Willie O'Deeeeeeeeeee and the Gargling Gob****es Healy-Raes ****ing over any concept of the national good for their own piss-ant bailiwick.
                              Of course it is part of the problem but at this stage the problem is getting so big it is time to say forget the national good as we have done that and just got ridden. Every man and woman for themselves at this stage I'm afraid....
                              Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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