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    The Trade Union Movement in Ireland

    Any thoughts about the current perception/reality or the future of the Unions in Ireland?

    Is there a need for the Unions at present and into the future?
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    #2
    Unions are parasites. SIPTU charge weekly membership of between 30c and €4.70 depending on your income. Fair enough, but they then offer different benefits in the event of industrial action. I thought all members were equal?

    mean while the head of the union pulls in over €120k per annum. We're all equal, but some are more equal than others.
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      #3
      Unions should be put up against the wall and shot, 250k pa for the likes of Begg to "stand up for the working man"!!! Self service obstructionists.
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        #4
        Simplistic views. The problem with some unions is that they protect the wasters. However, it is amazing that many workers will turn to unions when their jobs are under threat. Do they have a role to play -?absolutely.

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          #5
          I was a member of a union some 30 years ago, closed shop no choice. The union sold us down the Swanee in a late night deal with the MD and his team. Simplistic view?
          Union staff have had to take legal action to force union management to honour deals and obey labour laws. Simplistic view?
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            #6
            Originally posted by Lemmy View Post
            Any thoughts about the current perception/reality or the future of the Unions in Ireland?

            Is there a need for the Unions at present and into the future?
            There is always a need for Unions. Those who suggest otherwise are historically illiterate and hopelessly naive.

            The question, though, is whether particular Unions at a particular point in time are doing their job. They are democratic institutions, with the flaws of democratic institutions. They can be as good or as bad as their members and their structures allow them to be.

            The question shouldn't be "do we need unions", but "how do we get the unions we need".
            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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              #7
              Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
              There is always a need for Unions. Those who suggest otherwise are historically illiterate and hopelessly naive.

              The question, though, is whether particular Unions at a particular point in time are doing their job. They are democratic institutions, with the flaws of democratic institutions. They can be as good or as bad as their members and their structures allow them to be.

              The question shouldn't be "do we need unions", but "how do we get the unions we need".
              Deluded, idealised, socialist claptrap. Unions are little more than racketeers in ill-fitting suits, running a numbers game: each day, in some way shaking down the ordinary worker till the pips squeak, while they themselves live high on the hog on a fat salary and a guaranteed, final share pension scheme.

              These crooks live for the days when one of their bloated, public/semi-state bodies gets sold off to some vulture capitalist, so they can cash in their chips, and move onto the next victim.

              Contrast your Marxist utopia with 5eights above stated, anecdotal reality.

              Or better still, please justify the continued existence of the likes of David Begg and Jack O'Connor. These succubus' are no better than Ahern, Dunne, Neary, Fitzpatrick or anyone else within the golden circle that saw our Country and people bound to indefinite penury, while our children are left scattered to the four corners of the globe.

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                #8
                The Trade Union Movement in Ireland

                Originally posted by Ropaire View Post
                Deluded, idealised, socialist claptrap. Unions are little more than racketeers in ill-fitting suits, running a numbers game: each day, in some way shaking down the ordinary worker till the pips squeak, while they themselves live high on the hog on a fat salary and a guaranteed, final share pension scheme.

                These crooks live for the days when one of their bloated, public/semi-state bodies gets sold off to some vulture capitalist, so they can cash in their chips, and move onto the next victim.

                Contrast your Marxist utopia with 5eights above stated, anecdotal reality.

                Or better still, please justify the continued existence of the likes of David Begg and Jack O'Connor. These succubus' are no better than Ahern, Dunne, Neary, Fitzpatrick or anyone else within the golden circle that saw our Country and people bound to indefinite penury, while our children are left scattered to the four corners of the globe.
                Or contrast 5eights anecdotal realist above with the fact that the trade union movement represents millions of workers every day all over the world in improving their conditions and securing their safety.

                People who kick the union movement while sitting comfortably on working conditions that the TU movement secured, going home to their families on the weekend that the TU movement invented, safe at work due to the H&S movement that the TUs fought for, and so very convinced that their benevolent employers will look after them are the ones that are deluded.

                The German model still has trade unions at its heart. The long term alternative is the US model where workers are only spared accidents because all their manufacturing jobs were shipped to China. In the meantime, McDonalds fights government legislation to put bullet proof glass into its most dangerous branches, despite the fact that more of its staff are shot at work every year than any other job bar the police.

                The UK is headed towards a future of non jobs and zero hours contracts while those parts of Europe that maintain unionised workforces - particularly France and Germany - have not only secured better terms, but have held onto their industrial manufacturing.

                That's not idealized claptrap. That's reality. The relatively cosy few have lived in an abberation of a half century where capital was forced to show some restraint in its treatment of Labour. That period is unravelling rapidly, and those who don't organise in the coming years will rediscover quickly why people fought and died for the right to organise.

                And, for the record, you are yet another here who doesn't know what Marxism is and uses it as short hand for centralist social democracy. There are no unions in a Marxist utopia.
                "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                  #9
                  Very well said Balla.

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                    #10
                    Re. David Begg etc. getting it in the neck. The public services union over the last five years have had to negotiate pay cuts for their members. The members were seriously pissed off, but the unions realised their was no choice. They had to tell their members that this was the only choice - take the cut and the reforms, keep your head down and try to work together to get out of this mess. Bar a token one day strike, there has been no industrial action. It is no coincidence that Ireland is slowly but gradually recovering. Do you blame benchmarking and the celtic tiger pay rises on the unions? No. That was their job. You blame it on the politicians who wanted to get public sector votes.

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                      #11
                      Im a member of OPATSI(limerick) for 20 years and all that is bad cliquey and jobs for the boys is well represented.
                      7 euro a week for the honour and a 500 euro rejoin fee if you miss payments for a few months.2 euro a week when out work.
                      But on the other side you can walk in off the street with 500 euro and become a qualified tradesman.
                      With a few restrictions but not many.
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                        #12
                        Oxfam released a report in January showing that 85 people in the world are worth more than the poorest 3.5 billion.

                        Think about that for a second.

                        It is bad enough that the rich continue to amass obscene amounts of wealth, whereas the poorest continue to live in basic conditions, but suggestions that all unions are a waste of space is simply myopia.

                        If it weren't for Unions we'd all be working 50 hour weeks, have 10 days holidays and no sick pay.

                        Are there problems with individual unions? Hell yes. That shouldn't, however, negate from the wonderful work they have done over the years to fight for workers rights and the fair(er) distribution of wealth.
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                          #13
                          The question raised by Lemmy was about unions in Ireland. The German model is based on a Friendly Society and they work closely with management for the betterment of all. The web is full of cases where unions are sued by members for dereliction of duties. Unions closed Ferenka and Danus in Limerick.

                          There isn't a piece of employment legislation in Europe in the last 40 years that isn't the result of EU directives, nothing to do with the benvolence of unions or their management.

                          If someone wants to join a union then well and good, but don't force me into one because of a closed shop.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post
                            If it weren't for Unions we'd all be working 50 hour weeks, have 10 days holidays and no sick pay.
                            Eh, actually thats a normal year for me lately
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                              #15
                              Grow a beard is the first step for entering the trade union movement
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