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    Woody Allen - Same old script?

    Allegations, denials, denigration of the accusers, a liking for younger looking partners, a closing of ranks by institutions.

    Been here before it seems.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-s...liar-1.1679371

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...ions-1.1677607

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...llen-1.1676807
    Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

    #2
    An attraction to younger women doesn't equate to the molestation of a 7 year old child. I think he's being subjected to trial by accusation, and I don't think it's a good thing. Police have looked at the case and declined to prosecute.

    No idea as to his guilt or innocence, but fairly confident in dismissing any conclusions that anyone might reach via the public utterances of highly connected wealthy people operating through PRs and friendly journalists.
    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

    "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


    "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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      #3
      On a similar note, Bill Roache has just been cleared on all counts!
      "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

      "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


      "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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        #4
        Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
        An attraction to younger women doesn't equate to the molestation of a 7 year old child. I think he's being subjected to trial by accusation, and I don't think it's a good thing. Police have looked at the case and declined to prosecute.

        No idea as to his guilt or innocence, but fairly confident in dismissing any conclusions that anyone might reach via the public utterances of highly connected wealthy people operating through PRs and friendly journalists.
        He married the legally adopted daughter of his long term partner, who was also his son's sister.

        There is a lot more to the Police looking into the case in the past and deciding not to prosecute.


        Just wondering if this was a bishop/priest/clergy would you hold the same views?
        Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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          #5
          Originally posted by Sulla View Post
          He married the legally adopted daughter of his long term partner, who was also his son's sister.

          There is a lot more to the Police looking into the case in the past and deciding not to prosecute.


          Just wondering if this was a bishop/priest/clergy would you hold the same views?
          He did. And I'm not defending him as an upstanding pillar of society. I'm saying that nothing he did would serve as evidence that he molested his child, and that the lack of a prosecution means that we're unlikely to ever know more.

          I'd hold the same views on accusations against any individual member of the clergy. My views on Church abuse are based on the Church's own admissions of guilt and cover up, and the millions and millions of dollars that they have paid out in compensation to victims.

          A bit more to go on, really.
          "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

          "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


          "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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            #6
            Interesting to see that Ronan Farrow was the person who started the massive fall from grace of Harvey Weinstein.

            https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...-their-stories
            Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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              #7
              It's so repulsive, the whole thing..
              What a scumbag..

              Reading about what he did, and then reading what happened to Corey Feldman, Corey Haim.. And the possible other kids..

              It's upsetting, angering, unfair, sociopathic...

              It's a whole other world that has mixed into the Catholic church, religions,.. Men with power who think they are untouchable..
              He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a real duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or something.

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                #8
                The entertainment industry is littered with this sort of abuse of power. “Stars” are allowed to behave in ways that would be completely unacceptable in the real world. No surprise there is talk of Ben Affleck being involved, a friend of mine was in Shakespeare in Love and the stories of Affleck’s behaviour were shocking. At a lower level, I worked on the Bill many years ago and one of the stars openly smoked drugs all day. Now I am all in favour of legalisation but I don’t know of another industry that would allow such behaviour.


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                  #9
                  Or just "grabbing them by the pussy"
                  I am the million man.

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                    #10
                    Was it not Casey Affleck that was accused? Or both of them?

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                      #11
                      Allegations against Casey settled out of court. Ben groped a girl years ago, think it might have been on tv or recorded. Between his condemnation of Weinstein and supposedly promoting brother for Oscar he's got a bit of criticism this week. Apologised to Hilarie burton for the incident
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                      "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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                        #12


                        thats not burton so maybe there's more than one incident in his past.

                        edit, on further reading
                        "[It was] nothing improper. It was just fun and games," Losique told Refinery29 over the phone Wednesday afternoon. "I thought it was funny. In this context, very honestly it shouldn’t be mixed with the issue at hand." She is referring to the news of Affleck groping Burton on TRL. Losique, who no longer works in entertainment journalism, says that it was an "ongoing" bit.


                        I actually encouraged [it] a little bit because I would it would be good TV," she says. "You know for girls, he was a sex symbol, and I thought that it was so cool that I was sitting on his lap...Here in Quebec, it was portrayed in a very good light."




                        Last edited by Hugged Rugger; 11th-October-2017, 23:44.
                        "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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                          #13
                          it wasn’t called the “casting couch”for nothing, the best abuse of position by producers, directors, etc has been going on for a long time, and in Hollywood these guys ruled, there’s a saying in the film industry,you're only as good as your last job, and it wasn’t just work they meant, and for these guys with so much power and influence in the industry you toe the line and keep your mouth shut. Great to see the dirty linen finally being aired.
                          psychoanalysis is wasted on the Irish; Sigmund Freud

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                            #14
                            Right back to the days of Fatty Arbuckle and even earlier
                            "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                            Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                            Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                              #15
                              So much more is coming out now, and it's far from being limited to "just" Hollywood and the entertainment industry. In some ways, this story follows a similar pattern to other ugly narratives - child-abusing clergy, Jimmy Savile, the Magdalene laundries, the mother & baby homes ... horrific, yet routine abuse of weaker, more vulnerable people that seems to be whispered about quietly, until something brings it to the fore and it releases a tsunami of testimony from people saying "yes, this happened to me and nothing was done about it/I was made to keep quiet/I was powerless to protect myself and had nobody I could turn to." So often, the perpetrator(s) got away with it thanks to an atmosphere of contempt, victim-blaming and collusion.

                              Watching one report relating to this most recent iteration the other day, one thing that was highlighted was the way it seems to happen so often where men are in a position of power over women. This actually prompted a discussion between myself & herself, as I used to be in the position of managing a mostly female team over a number of years, back when I worked in the community & voluntary sector. I had great staff who were very dedicated and very good at their jobs (in fact, of the seven people I managed, the least motivated/effective happened to be the two lads). I'm confident in saying I always treated them with respect, and that was because they simply deserved it, as people and as professionals. The notion of any other approach or behaviour is just ... bizarre, at best. Now I'm not saying that as some sort of virtue-signalling "aren't I great" nonsense - it's just that I always assumed this was the norm, the minimum standard of behaviour, and that incidents of sexual harassment etc were outliers to that norm.

                              I like to think I'm not naive, but occasionally I start to wonder. The relentlessness with which this stuff seems to happen is just jaw-dropping, and I've read a few things in the past week or so that give me a sick feeling. Is this a "cultural" thing? Is it as widespread in Ireland as it seems to be in Britain and the US? What prompts so many people to think it's ok to do/say the sort of stuff that seems to happen so frequently that it's almost like the background noise of being a woman?

                              I'm going to post a couple of articles below that prompted me to post on this, plus another that was at least slightly encouraging, if that's the right word.
                              Tis but a scratch.

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