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    Asylum seekers are our new institutional home victims

    Interesting article

    The principals of basic human compassion and decency would lead anybody to disgust at the conditions asylum seekers endure in Direct Provision hostels – and the warning signs clearly point to future scandal, writes Aaron McKenna.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/aaro...19950-Aug2013/
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    #2
    Two thirds stay more than three years. Classic Irish bureacrasy indeed. There is no way on earth it should take that long to process.
    My computer thinks I'm gay
    What's the difference anyway
    When all the people do all day
    Is stare into a phone

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      #3
      That is what struck me as well. Why does it take so long to process? And why are they being held in sub human conditions during that time?
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        #4
        The conditions just sounds like over crowding which would stop being an issue if our civil servants got their fingers out and adopted some proper work practises, actually scratch that, just seems too far fetched
        My computer thinks I'm gay
        What's the difference anyway
        When all the people do all day
        Is stare into a phone

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          #5
          Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post
          That is what struck me as well. Why does it take so long to process? And why are they being held in sub human conditions during that time?
          Fourteen years ago, some bright spark decided to bring in legislation that asylum decisions at any level can only be challenged by judicial review, in under two weeks. Net result, of course, was that all those getting decisions had to go to the Courts. In a country with the lowest judge per capita ratio in Europe, this spelt disaster.

          There has been truly heroic work done by all concerned, judges and lawyers, keeping the show on the road at all; regular September sittings, accelerated procedures, telescopes hearings, many of which have been so successful they've been adopted elsewhere. A quick look at the judgements section of Courts.ie will give an idea of how many they get through when you realise non-written, ex tempore ones don't show up. But the problem remains: too many cases to be heard, far too few judges, yet successive governments have been
          willing to pay more on direct provision than extra judges would ever cost.
          Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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            #6
            That is ridiculous. Surely a quick amendment to the relevant legislation would remove the requirement?
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              #7
              Ah, well, look, if you start being sensible about things...
              Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                #8
                Maybe we should follow the Australian model?
                Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sulla View Post
                  Maybe we should follow the Australian model?
                  Tearing the Geneva Convention into neat squares and using it as an impromptu Andrex substitute? No.

                  Direct provision was, I would say, always daft. You had people willing to work for their keep while there were jobs there and for whose sanity working would have had huge benefits, a State that needed to keep the bills down, and employers needing people to do jobs. it wouldn't have hurt; if you failed in your asylum application, you'd be deported, regardless, and any money saved could be used to defray any costs awarded against you. What harm?

                  But instead we went down this route, and it's hard to see the benefit of so doing.
                  Ceterum censeo INM irrumandum esse.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post
                    That is what struck me as well. Why does it take so long to process? And why are they being held in sub human conditions during that time?
                    Exaggerate much....?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
                      Exaggerate much....?
                      Read the article. Then come back.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
                        Exaggerate much....?
                        How much vermin infestation is acceptable? How many men would you like your teenage daughter to share a room with?
                        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                          #13
                          And this in a country where houses that have never been lived in are standing empty for years.
                          "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                          "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                          "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
                            And this in a country where houses that have never been lived in are standing empty for years.
                            Could you imagine how the costs would spiral if we started to give them new homes.
                            When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect Hungry

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                              #15
                              This is Emily O'Reilly's report.

                              http://www.studiesirishreview.ie/lea...-we-gone-wrong

                              A stark conclusion.

                              It is easy to explain away our failures on the basis that the issues are complex, that drafting the legislation is very difficult and that parliament in any case is ineffective. All of this is true. But, ultimately, it comes back to priorities and to ethics and values. We have known for a decade and more that our treatment of asylum seekers is unacceptable and we have failed, mostly, to do anything about it. With some honourable exceptions, that failure is a collective failure of a republic which needs to re-engage with what ought to be its core values.
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