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    #76
    She was a tyrant of a political leader in the best sense. As EO says you voted for her, and her party, and you knew what you were getting. She was a victim of her own success in some ways, unfortunately for her she couldn't go out on her own terms in either politics or in life. I wasn't a fan of all her policies but she was a constant, no bull-sh*tting and she deserves some respect. The glee some people are taking in her death is quite frankly disgusting. You have the likes of Obama eulogising her and then dispicable cretins like George Galloway and Gerry Adams taking a sneaky dig....says it all really for me.

    She modernised Britain, we were a failing, essentially bankrupt state due to incompetent Labour governments whom were ruled as much by their Union overlords as they were the British electorate. Thatcher ended that, and if nothing else I am sure any Labour Politician with half a brain is quietly thankful for that because you can be sure as hell none of them would have stood up to them with either the tenacity or the guts that auld Maggie demonstrated. Her privatisation campaigns were a necessary given the overdependence of state support in loss-making industries and services. Just look at where Greece are now, Britain might not have been far away had hard choices not been made.

    I also chuckle heartily when her de-regulation of the financial markets is cited by the left as some sort of root cause of the financial-crisis...trying to re-write history because that will forever be the legacy of an incompetent Labour government who sold the crown jewels (Britains gold) for a song in the halcyon days when the gravy train was never going to stop. Thatcher's moves allowed Britain to become a financial hub and move away from uncompetitive industries like mining and manufacturing (as they were at the time....!!), it was Bliar and Brown that turned the City into a Casino.


    Regarding her activities in Northern Ireland, I would not call them two faced.It was pragmatic politics, to not engage would have been foolish but to give in to the IRA would have been unforgiveable and at the time could well have sent NI into a state of sectarian anarchy. Ironically, as some other thoughtful soul has pointed out, her work with the Anglo-Irish agreement probably paved the way for the GFA. She acknowledged Sands was an animal, and so he was...a murdering one, and was willing to let him act, live and die like one. Because let us not kid ourselves, those ten great and glorious martyrs to the Republican cause were murderers and that is a fact. They chose to take their own lives, a choice their victims were not afforded, and Thatcher let them...and as for Gerry it is well acknowledged that the IRA Army Council, of which he was a ruling figure, were more than happy for a few of their brave volunteers to die- the leadership were busy lining their pockets with Gadaffi's Oil Money, guns, bombs and the blood of their foot soliders....good old socialist ideals eh.

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      #77
      Originally posted by Viigand View Post
      She is only disliked by the left, hence the reason you see so many negative posts in this site. I only wish we had a leader with her courage and convictions here.
      Backing the Zionists in their disgraceful war-crimes during the 1st Lebanese War. Backing the Khemer Rouge in their ethnic cleansing campaign in Cambodia. Backing Pig Botha and his apartheid regime in SA. Backing Pinochet and every tin-pot dictator in South and Central America that her and that retarded Yank Zombie (Ronnie Raygun) propped-up. Bombing a retreating Belgrano in 1982 - and killing 100s of innocents. Happily allowing 10 men starve themselves to death in the H Blocks. And these were only some of her foreign policies. Add this to her destruction of the Midlands, North of England as well as that of the Scots and Welsh and you have a real world leader, don't you? Up there with your other heroes Blair, Bush and Bibi.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
        Being 28 years old I don't remember her in power, Major would be the earliest I can recall, but is it fair to say there hasn't been an elected leader round these parts as disliked since?(apart from the Northside wheeler dealer, in time) If she caused so much grief and hurt then how did she maintain such a vicelike grip on power?

        Major must have seemed a total breath of fresh air? He's a decent auld skin
        in answer to question 1 - dangerous physcopaths can do that
        question 2 - he had a long affair with a Mossad plant. And his spitting image caricature was actually not a caricature

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          #79
          Originally posted by Red Hand Hero View Post
          She was a tyrant of a political leader in the best sense. As EO says you voted for her, and her party, and you knew what you were getting. She was a victim of her own success in some ways, unfortunately for her she couldn't go out on her own terms in either politics or in life. I wasn't a fan of all her policies but she was a constant, no bull-sh*tting and she deserves some respect. The glee some people are taking in her death is quite frankly disgusting. You have the likes of Obama eulogising her and then dispicable cretins like George Galloway and Gerry Adams taking a sneaky dig....says it all really for me.

          She modernised Britain, we were a failing, essentially bankrupt state due to incompetent Labour governments whom were ruled as much by their Union overlords as they were the British electorate. Thatcher ended that, and if nothing else I am sure any Labour Politician with half a brain is quietly thankful for that because you can be sure as hell none of them would have stood up to them with either the tenacity or the guts that auld Maggie demonstrated. Her privatisation campaigns were a necessary given the overdependence of state support in loss-making industries and services. Just look at where Greece are now, Britain might not have been far away had hard choices not been made.

          I also chuckle heartily when her de-regulation of the financial markets is cited by the left as some sort of root cause of the financial-crisis...trying to re-write history because that will forever be the legacy of an incompetent Labour government who sold the crown jewels (Britains gold) for a song in the halcyon days when the gravy train was never going to stop. Thatcher's moves allowed Britain to become a financial hub and move away from uncompetitive industries like mining and manufacturing (as they were at the time....!!), it was Bliar and Brown that turned the City into a Casino.


          Regarding her activities in Northern Ireland, I would not call them two faced.It was pragmatic politics, to not engage would have been foolish but to give in to the IRA would have been unforgiveable and at the time could well have sent NI into a state of sectarian anarchy. Ironically, as some other thoughtful soul has pointed out, her work with the Anglo-Irish agreement probably paved the way for the GFA. She acknowledged Sands was an animal, and so he was...a murdering one, and was willing to let him act, live and die like one. Because let us not kid ourselves, those ten great and glorious martyrs to the Republican cause were murderers and that is a fact. They chose to take their own lives, a choice their victims were not afforded, and Thatcher let them...and as for Gerry it is well acknowledged that the IRA Army Council, of which he was a ruling figure, were more than happy for a few of their brave volunteers to die- the leadership were busy lining their pockets with Gadaffi's Oil Money, guns, bombs and the blood of their foot soliders....good old socialist ideals eh.
          1. You are not part of Britain, you MOD EDIT.
          2. Bobby Sands was a hero, martyr and patriot, comparable with Pearse, McSwiney and Connolly. You, on the other hand, are a complete MOD EDIT.

          MODS BAN THIS MOD EDIT PERMANENTLY.
          Last edited by mr chips; 9-April-2013, 00:06. Reason: Banned for a week for abusing another poster

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            #80
            Originally posted by Thomond78 View Post
            Balls. Harold MacMillan, Tory PM, loathed her for the damage she did to Britain. And you don't have to be left wing to see that cuddling up to Pinochet, inviting PW Botha over for tea and fighting tooth and nail against sanctions on apartheid South Africa at the peak of the State of Emergency is abhorrent.
            Balls. McMillan was an auld self-serving focker who had the decent fortune to serve as PM during relative prosperity in the 50's and benefitted from an increasingly polarised international arena after he focked up the UK's relationship with the US during the Suez crisis. He was only too happy to sit back and take pot shots from the sidelines.

            As has also been pointed out one has to view Thatcher's international policy within the context of the Cold War. She was hardly the only international leader to support a right-wing dictator or two....sh1t happens. With regards to South Africa, hindsight is always a wonderful thing and her actions were not necessarily becoming of what one might now consider appropriate for a National Leader but that is how it was. Britain, Ireland...hell the world was largely still pretty bloody racist...maybe not nice to think about now but that is how it was.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Major TNT View Post

              in answer to question 1 - dangerous physcopaths can do that
              question 2 - he had a long affair with a Mossad plant. And his spitting image caricature was actually not a caricature
              Too young for spitting image too ;)
              I am the million man.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Mardyke Maverick View Post
                1. You are not part of Britain, you imbecile.
                2. Bobby Sands was a hero, martyr and patriot, comparable with Pearse, McSwiney and Connolly. You, on the other hand, are a complete scumbag.

                MODS BAN THIS CLOWN PERMANENTLY.
                I will gladly send you a copy of my passport if you are in any doubt young man...I will also recommend you either purchase a map at some point or pay more attention in Geography rather than listening to your Christie Moore CD. Comedy gold from you all the same.

                Out of interest where does freedom of speech fit into your own personal interpretation of republican socialism, or would you be from a more Marxist/Leninist school of socialism?
                Last edited by Red Hand Hero; 8-April-2013, 23:40.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                  Too young for spitting image too ;)
                  Not much older than you but fond memories of it. YouTube it.
                  Hasn't been a political satire show anywhere near as good as it since

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Red Hand Hero View Post
                    Balls. McMillan was an auld self-serving focker who had the decent fortune to serve as PM during relative prosperity in the 50's and benefitted from an increasingly polarised international arena after he focked up the UK's relationship with the US during the Suez crisis. He was only too happy to sit back and take pot shots from the sidelines.

                    As has also been pointed out one has to view Thatcher's international policy within the context of the Cold War. She was hardly the only international leader to support a right-wing dictator or two....sh1t happens. With regards to South Africa, hindsight is always a wonderful thing and her actions were not necessarily becoming of what one might now consider appropriate for a National Leader but that is how it was. Britain, Ireland...hell the world was largely still pretty bloody racist...maybe not nice to think about now but that is how it was.
                    UVF supporting the apartheid regime in SA, who would have thought it. I've reported your above post and look forward to your imminent banning.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Mardyke Maverick View Post
                      UVF supporting the apartheid regime in SA, who would have thought it. I've reported your above post and look forward to your imminent banning.
                      Quality stuff.

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                        #86
                        Carlsberg don't do irony, but ....

                        While my own personal views on Mrs T are profoundly at odds with most of RHH's analysis, speaking as a moderator (and even as an ordinary user of the forum) he is absolutely entitled to post his views here and should be able to do so without being personally abused. Or having his national identity challenged by a complete stranger, which is f*cking retarded.
                        Tis but a scratch.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Red Hand Hero View Post
                          She was a tyrant of a political leader in the best sense. As EO says you voted for her, and her party, and you knew what you were getting. She was a victim of her own success in some ways, unfortunately for her she couldn't go out on her own terms in either politics or in life. I wasn't a fan of all her policies but she was a constant, no bull-sh*tting and she deserves some respect. The glee some people are taking in her death is quite frankly disgusting. You have the likes of Obama eulogising her and then dispicable cretins like George Galloway and Gerry Adams taking a sneaky dig....says it all really for me.

                          She modernised Britain, we were a failing, essentially bankrupt state due to incompetent Labour governments whom were ruled as much by their Union overlords as they were the British electorate. Thatcher ended that, and if nothing else I am sure any Labour Politician with half a brain is quietly thankful for that because you can be sure as hell none of them would have stood up to them with either the tenacity or the guts that auld Maggie demonstrated. Her privatisation campaigns were a necessary given the overdependence of state support in loss-making industries and services. Just look at where Greece are now, Britain might not have been far away had hard choices not been made.

                          I also chuckle heartily when her de-regulation of the financial markets is cited by the left as some sort of root cause of the financial-crisis...trying to re-write history because that will forever be the legacy of an incompetent Labour government who sold the crown jewels (Britains gold) for a song in the halcyon days when the gravy train was never going to stop. Thatcher's moves allowed Britain to become a financial hub and move away from uncompetitive industries like mining and manufacturing (as they were at the time....!!), it was Bliar and Brown that turned the City into a Casino.


                          Regarding her activities in Northern Ireland, I would not call them two faced.It was pragmatic politics, to not engage would have been foolish but to give in to the IRA would have been unforgiveable and at the time could well have sent NI into a state of sectarian anarchy. Ironically, as some other thoughtful soul has pointed out, her work with the Anglo-Irish agreement probably paved the way for the GFA. She acknowledged Sands was an animal, and so he was...a murdering one, and was willing to let him act, live and die like one. Because let us not kid ourselves, those ten great and glorious martyrs to the Republican cause were murderers and that is a fact. They chose to take their own lives, a choice their victims were not afforded, and Thatcher let them...and as for Gerry it is well acknowledged that the IRA Army Council, of which he was a ruling figure, were more than happy for a few of their brave volunteers to die- the leadership were busy lining their pockets with Gadaffi's Oil Money, guns, bombs and the blood of their foot soliders....good old socialist ideals eh.
                          complete load of revisionist tosh. Amounts to nothing more than thatcher = good, everybody else, well, who cares, thatcher = good.
                          she was a sick, psychotic bitch who revelled in human suffering.
                          That fact she instructed the police to literally batter striking miners non stop says it all for any right minded person. Gestapo type stuff.
                          Have heard many many others say they were glad she endured plenty of suffering of her own before she died. Maybe there is such a thing as karma.

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                            #88
                            Maggie gone to hell...?

                            Mebbe,
                            but she's gone anyway.

                            Was under her rule twice in my life - firstly as Thatcher the milk snatcher, then later as poll-tax payer (never voted for her or her ilk either time....). Both of which I thought petty minded and insane from an economical pov. Let's not forget she also reduced the great GB to near penury and it was only the steady hand of Major that rescued GB from total collapse following her ousting. I saw towns and villages in Yorkshire, Durham and Wales reduced to disaster zones when they had been previously thriving and viable economies. And she did this for pure vindictiveness. The last great English Statesman walked away from her over her madness (as in insane).

                            Her foreign and humanitarian efforts (SA, Israel, Aden, Chile, NI, Malvinas, etc) have indeed be documented and commented on, no need for me to rehash.

                            She was right on one thing - EEC (as a free trade area with 12 countries was good for all of Europe, and England/UK); an EU superstate ruled from and for Berlin is not........

                            May she rip.

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                              #89
                              Bobby davro on twitter;
                              @BobbyDavro1: Whatever your political bent Thatcher was the best prime minister since the war She made us proud to be British A very sad day RIP Maggie x

                              says it all really.

                              and this nonsense about Churchill being a great leader. More revionist bullsh*t. He was without doubt the most blood thirsty crook the British ever foisted onto the world. And that's saying something.

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                                #90
                                If Bobby Sands was a murderer, so was Thatcher. He was fighting for justice. She was fighting for the privileged.
                                She was very tough, which is important for political success, but Hitler was very successful politically. She was a divisive figure and only the perverse admire her.
                                Allowing the hunger strikers to die led to exponentially increased support for the provos.
                                Last edited by MrsMcGahan; 9-April-2013, 05:43.

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