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      I wouldn't bother RHH, most posters here are in the main dogmatic socialists, I wouldn't waste your time trying to be rational with them.

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        Agreed Viigand
        "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

        Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

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          Can we at least be civil to one another please?

          This thread is about Maggie Thatcher. If it degenerates into name-calling and/or a pro-/anti-IRA/Unionist thread I will lock it.
          The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man - George Bernard Shaw


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            Originally posted by MrsMcGahan View Post
            The brutal truth EO is that without the Provo campaign the GFA would never have happened. The Unionists were racist and were entrenched in their view that that nationalists had to conform to their unionist statelet.
            So Sands was fighting for his rights ergo justice.
            Not convinced on either front. I think the truth that gets hidden too much is without half the leadership of PIRA ratting on the other half and setting each other up it wouldn't have happened. And Sands was part of a group who had no more interest in democracy than anyone else in the mess. Two sides were fighting to impose their own will and in fact, when the ordinary people were finally given a chance to have a say, the consensus was for the lot of them to **** off.
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              Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
              Ah yes because mining your own coal is such a bad idea. and everything they've tried since has worked out so well (windscale/sellafield, englands energy & water needs owned by foreign interests, having to be the USA's little bitch and support every dirty war they embark on) and put england in such a great position financially. they're not bankrupt at all.
              You're a laugh RHH!
              And now its massive windmills in the midlands of ireland that is the solution for englands energy problems! Not that that idea will ever get off the ground, pardon the pun.
              Its obvious you love maggie, and you wont entertain the idea that she was a sick sick individual. there are always 2 ways to skin a cat, its just maggie happily took the most brutal, destructive option every time.
              the mining industry died because it couldn't be competitive, as happened to the overwhelming majority of the UK's own industry and one of the prime reasons was the way that unions became so militant they undermined the job security of the very people they were supposed to be protecting. I've no doubt Thatcher intended to make damn sure she didn't get pulled down the way other governments had been by the unions but this dream like state some on here think existed pre Thatcher, with green rolling hills full of healthy children, skipping gaily through the meadows, while beamingly healthy parents smiled on at the cottage gate is ********. By the end of the 1970s the UK was utterly ****ed and industry was not thriving, especially the nationalised industries. It's like the myth that the last few years and current economic policy is behind the death of the high street in the UK. It's not, the high street as it used to be has been dying for years and the medium we're using for this debate is the biggest culprit.
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                Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                I wouldn't bother RHH, most posters here are in the main dogmatic socialists, I wouldn't waste your time trying to be rational with them.
                This is the one thing that peevs me off more than anything else. Narrow minded arrogance. The view that one's own beliefs are the only true right and correct way and that anyone with a different view is just plane stupid. Speaking as if anyone with left thinking or socialist views is just plane foolish for thinking that way. People thinking that their way of thinking and their opinion is the only way, while failing to realise that that's all it is, THEIR way of thinking and THEIR opinion and that just because it's THEIR way of thinking doesn't automatically make it the right way. Pure narrow minded, I am not even going to consider your opinion cause it's the opposite to mine so therefor it is wrong, arrogance. By all means have your opinions but respect others aswell.

                But shur I'm just a "dogmatic socialist" so I doubt my opinion will bother you too much.
                Last edited by BOK; 9-April-2013, 14:25.

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                  Are you
                  A) dogmatic
                  B) socialist
                  bok?
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                    I think we should either be given a definitive list of these dogmatic socialists or Viigand should be banned for a week for an unforgiveable case of Outlawing.
                    "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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                      Originally posted by Major TNT View Post
                      Ah yes because mining your own coal is such a bad idea. and everything they've tried since has worked out so well (windscale/sellafield, englands energy & water needs owned by foreign interests, having to be the USA's little bitch and support every dirty war they embark on) and put england in such a great position financially. they're not bankrupt at all.
                      You're a laugh RHH!
                      And now its massive windmills in the midlands of ireland that is the solution for englands energy problems! Not that that idea will ever get off the ground, pardon the pun.
                      Its obvious you love maggie, and you wont entertain the idea that she was a sick sick individual. there are always 2 ways to skin a cat, its just maggie happily took the most brutal, destructive option every time.
                      But there are a lot more than two ways to skin a cat, there are hundreds of ways. Everyone is carrying on as though the world was black and white. The people on one side will not accept that she ever did anything that wasn't the incarnation of pure evil. Many on the other side will defend her until they give themselves an aneurism and will maintain she was the greatest human being who ever walked Gods earth.

                      The truth as usual is somewhere in between. However There is a story I heard about this 'demon' that might surprise some people. At a smart reception in 10 Downing St the young girl waiting on the event dropped a tray right in the middle of the packed room covering herself and a few of the guests in all sorts. The kid burst into tears and the first person there to clear up the mess and help this girl was Margaret Thatcher, my acquaintance said she ignored everyone in the room and concentrated all her attentions on this upset girl.

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                        I have no patience today to post here. I've so much to say, and so much emotion tied to this that it backs up and comes out in an unorganised mess.

                        While I'd agree with Red Hand hero on some aspects especially regards the greed of the unions and their leaders etc. This all stemmed from the fact that workers had been exploited for generations for the gain of a small minority. The unions fought for things like fair pay, employers responsibilities, social projects like improved schools etc. Its funny how those living in the model villages rarely if ever went on strike, the communities where the employers gave a toss.

                        In any case this is irrelevant when arguing about the current state of affair with the problem with social dependents. I don't know where you are going with that one.

                        She decimated the lives and the communities of disadvantaged people who had been shafted and exploited for generations (the backbone of the country). And targeted her policies to undermine and destroy her political opposition (part of the reason she held power for so long), while serving herself the elite and the wealthy. Sounds like Mugabe or someone

                        I can't stand the woman.

                        And I can't believe that a person who referred to Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist" is being defended on this site. Only changing her tune once it would harm her politically.

                        I see there is a certain lack of social conscience from some posters here. Don't give a monkeys, everyone for themselves rubbish.
                        Its the very same lack of social conscience which is fuelling welfare dependency and anti social behaviour. It takes a certain person to continuously take benefit from the state, and that is not a socialist.

                        Sorry if the above is a mess. I reserve the right to make small changes.
                        Last edited by Huwie; 9-April-2013, 14:42.
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                          How did she win so many democratic elections when its clear from a quick look at the internet that she was the devil incarnate and was decimating everyone bar a minority of rich powerful people?
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                            Blair won three elections in a row, doesn't mean he isn't a mass-murdering war criminal.

                            I'm a bit perplexed at the "killing is ok when you've been elected to do it" stance, RHH. I'm not an advocate of violence and even seeing a gun (let alone handling one) produces the sort of reaction in me that one might experience upon finding that cockroaches had taken up residence in the bed. I'm no fan of Adams et al but I fail to see how firing on the Belgrano as it sailed away, killing those on board for no reason other than as a show of military strength, differs in any way from the car-bombing tactics you describe. To me they are the same thing - murderous acts of vicious brutality and horror, which were ordered and carried out by psychopaths. Maggie merely perpetrated her own worst abominations further away from home. To me she was a killer and a war criminal and the only justice she received was that her decrepitude lasted as long as it did.
                            Tis but a scratch.

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                              Originally posted by sewa View Post
                              How did she win so many democratic elections when its clear from a quick look at the internet that she was the devil incarnate and was decimating everyone bar a minority of rich powerful people?
                              Because she was happy screwing over the people she did. They weren't the people who would vote for at any other time. Maybe if they did she mightn't have wiped out their communities.
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                                [QUOTE=mr chips;1214678]Blair won three elections in a row, doesn't mean he isn't a mass-murdering war criminal.

                                QUOTE]Seen as you mention Blair winning three elections is it not fair to say he / new labour took the exact same line as Maggie. Open up the city, deregulate, privatise etc and three times he got reelected on the back of it. Could it be that the majority of people now realise that exact economic approach actually works? Its only a minority of socialists and hippies who refuse to face this truth
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