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    State Forests being sold off...!

    Just watched a Ear to the ground on RTE and learned that our government is in the process of selling off our state forests (mainly managed by Coillte right now); all this at the behest of the Troika. And all very secret it seems too.

    Seems it is already happening (tender process initiated last month on a few Donegal forests), but why has this not gained much attention on the media. Coillte is not responding to requests to comment or participate and it was chilling to hear an 'advisor' state that it didn't matter who owns the land (over 1 million acres) provided it is developed to it's full commercial potential - chilling words for all those people who use coillte lands all over the country for all sorts of activities; Coillte has an open doors policy wherever possible. I'm involved with a few organisations who regularly use and organise events on Coillte lands. It looks like this decision has been made and when these lands are privatised places like Keeper, East Clare hills, Ballycuggeran, Galtees will probably all be off limits as there is no universal access to private lands under Irish law.

    I had heard (a couple of years back) that an international logging company with a less than perfect reputation was interested in acquiring Irish forests and that they had engaed no less than our former Taoiseach to work with them, but I had thought this had fizzled out. Maybe not it now seems. so in whose interests are we being forced to sell off our country?

    This will have far bigger than recreational, tourism and ecological affects. Coillte lands provide much of the clean water that supplies our towns and cities, the forests help enormously in helping to achieve our CO2 balances as laid down under EU regs. Like the now infamous September night when the bank bailout was foisted on the Irish taxpayer this will also have far-reaching and extremely damaging effects on the country. We need a bit more attention on this. let's not be caught napping again -provided it's not already too late...!

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    State Forests being sold off...!

    UK govt tried this last year and was shot down in flames. Hope the same is possible in Ireland.
    "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

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      #3
      There selling the harvesting rights not the forests, when a forest reaches maturity it should be cut and replanted would you's not agree. Who they sell the harvesting rights to is a different matter

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        #4
        Originally posted by Balla Boy View Post
        UK govt tried this last year and was shot down in flames. Hope the same is possible in Ireland.
        National Trust, NFU and some Tory grandees just got apoplectic and as you say shot it down.

        Who do we have to do such a job? - hardly Boyd-Barrett or the Greens. maybe Éamon de Buitléir or Mooney goes Wild, but hardly heavyweights. Mikey Ryanair says he's a farmer (as well as taxi-driver, etc...), but what side view/side would he take? Probably see a chance to make a few quid on the deals.......

        But 'tis Bertie's rumoured involvement that's really boiling my blood.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Scott View Post
          There selling the harvesting rights not the forests, when a forest reaches maturity it should be cut and replanted would you's not agree. Who they sell the harvesting rights to is a different matter
          Don't know how much you know about Coillte and their management of our forests Scott, but Coillte are doing an excellent job both commercially and in developing the areas as natural resources for the whole country. It would be unlikely that the people would get access to the resources if they were privately run. And Coillte have now a great environmental impact and are proving excellent partners and researchers for the growing small private foresters (mainly farmers).

          Most international loggers just strip-fell - that's disastrous environmentally. Coillte have learned a lot over the years (they were very poor environmental managers 40 years ago); the last thing we should be doing is throwing away all that hard earned expertise and experience. We could/should be doing more with our small but growing forestry sector. This (if carried out...) will kill it.

          Suggest you read the rest of this and research the reason's why...

          Cad a dhéanfaimid feasta gan adhmad?
          Tá deireadh na gcoillte ar lár,
          .....
          .

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            #6
            No hope... Politicians are everywhere the same mob. Not to give a toss about the future of our children so long they can keep their place and make money. FFS, what does hapen in our world today?
            "To be energetic and self-sufficing is to be happy; but while one desire remains in the heart happiness may not come there. For to desire is to be incomplete: it is the badge of dependence, the signal of unhappiness, and to be freed from that is to be freed from every fetter that can possibly be forged." (James Stephens, Deirdre)

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              #7
              Re: State Forests being sold off...!

              As a mountainbiker and a member of an MTB club, we have had to deal with coillte on numerous occasions and I would rank them as one of the most useless semi-state bodies in existence which is saying something. Coillte outdoors are the ones tasked with developing our forests for outdoor recreational use but apart from ballyhoura and some miserable trail at ticknock they have done absolutely nothing. Our club in Killarney has been banned from riding in any coillte owned forest without explanation and the same goes for any other club in the country. They refuse to even engage in conversation. It's heartbreaking given the natural resources we have in this country what could be done for adventure tourism with just a small bit of imagination. In the UK there are new trail centres popping up almost monthly bringing tens of thousands of visitors. I don't know how bad privatising these resources will be but surely somebody in industry could take a look at what ballyhoura has done for the area and see that it could be replicated in numerous areas, in fact coillte released a document last year where they did a study on a number of areas suitable for the development of adventure tourism but as with all strategy documents its now sitting in a drawer somewhere gathering dust.

              Rant over. Apologies, but coillte really make my blood boil.
              Last edited by B.A.; 27th-January-2013, 20:30.
              When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                #8
                How much does their CEO make again?
                "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
                  How much does their CEO make again?
                  Not a lot?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
                    How much does their CEO make again?
                    http://www.independent.ie/national-n...0-3089321.html


                    TO B.A. Could this be over Insurance issues? You know what a shower of unprincipled b'stards our hearse chasers are.
                    Last edited by Old Dog; 27th-January-2013, 20:43.
                    New infraction avoidance policy: a post may be described as imbecilic, but its author should never be described as an imbecile.

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                      #11
                      Re: State Forests being sold off...!

                      Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
                      http://www.independent.ie/national-n...0-3089321.html


                      TO B.A. Could this be over Insurance issues? You know what a shower of unprincipled b'stards our hearse chasers are.
                      All mtb clubs and members are associated with cycling Ireland which covers them for insurance. The reason they won't engage is because there is no incentive for them to think outside the box when nobody is pushing them looking for results. It's one of the benefits of working for a semi-state.
                      When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                        #12
                        Re: State Forests being sold off...!

                        http://www.coillteoutdoors.ie/filead...g_Strategy.pdf This is the study coillte did last year and subsequently completely abandoned.
                        When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Old Dog View Post
                          http://www.independent.ie/national-n...0-3089321.html


                          TO B.A. Could this be over Insurance issues? You know what a shower of unprincipled b'stards our hearse chasers are.
                          thanks OD. I remembered it was relatively high
                          "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                          Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                          Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by 99_oK? View Post
                            Don't know how much you know about Coillte and their management of our forests Scott, but Coillte are doing an excellent job both commercially and in developing the areas as natural resources for the whole country. It would be unlikely that the people would get access to the resources if they were privately run. And Coillte have now a great environmental impact and are proving excellent partners and researchers for the growing small private foresters (mainly farmers).

                            Most international loggers just strip-fell - that's disastrous environmentally. Coillte have learned a lot over the years (they were very poor environmental managers 40 years ago); the last thing we should be doing is throwing away all that hard earned expertise and experience. We could/should be doing more with our small but growing forestry sector. This (if carried out...) will kill it.

                            Suggest you read the rest of this and research the reason's why...

                            Cad a dhéanfaimid feasta gan adhmad?
                            Tá deireadh na gcoillte ar lár,
                            .....
                            .
                            Sounds like you have being getting your info from Duncan Stewart, regarding management of Forest and Coillte you must be joking by saying that they know there stuff. Ireland would be selling only the harvesting rights so we would still own the land the tree are grown on so, there would be no access difficulties except during clearfell. May I ask why you think Coillte are doing an excellent job commercially?

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                              #15
                              Re: State Forests being sold off...!

                              It's not a secret. It's been on the agenda for trade unions, countless outdoor activity groups etc. etc. February 2012
                              http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...312442486.html


                              http://www.justforests.org/custom/pu...ff-final-1.pdf

                              the campaign of protest by this crowd seems to use the scare tactic claiming there will be razor wire and security gaurds. I'm not saying this couldn't happen. But it is not a given

                              http://www.woodlandleague.org/

                              http://www.clarechampion.ie/index.ph...eral&Itemid=60

                              the state could do this right and regulate exact conditions under which timber is harvested and replenished. Forest Parks could be distinctly treated and forest preserves can be preserved. Or they can do what people fear and just industrialise all of our natural forest areas.....

                              when you think about walkers, bird watchers, scouts, hunters, our natural flora and fauna, the growing interest in mountain biking etc etc...This "sell off" sounds all bad and no good.

                              http://www.labour.ie/press/listing/1...251967442.html

                              On a business and economic level, I'd also like to know more about the issues Tony posts on here:
                              http://www.friendsoftheirishenvironm...=view&id=14757

                              as a regular user of a coilte forest park and its trail network....I would be motivated to violent protest if that was to be taken away!
                              Last edited by No. 16; 28th-January-2013, 00:39.

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