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    'It's a place where sinners burn in everlasting fire'








    HELL is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said.


    Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to "admit blame and promise to sin no more", they ran the risk of "eternal damnation - the Inferno."


    Hell "really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more," he said.


    The Pope, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that "forgiveness of sins" for those who repent was a cornerstone of Christian belief.


    He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the "woman taken in adultery" and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."


    God had given men and women free will to choose whether "spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind," he said.


    Vatican officials said that the Pope - who is also the Bishop of Rome - had been speaking in "straightforward" language "like a parish priest".


    He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that Hell is a "state of eternal separation from God," to be understood "symbolically rather than physically."


    Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a Church historian, said that the Pope was "right to remind us that Hell is not something to be put on one side" as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief. It had been misused in the Middle Ages to scare the impressionable with "horrific visions" of damnation, as described in Dante's 'Inferno'.


    It had a pedigree, however, that went back to Ancient Egypt and the Greek idea of Hades, and was described by St Matthew as a place of "everlasting fire" (Matthew xxv, 41).


    "The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also that the two world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century had created a Hell on Earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife," Professor Bagliani declared.


    In 1999 Pope John Paul II declared that Heaven was "neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God which is the goal of human life." Hell, by contrast, was "the ultimate consequence of sin itself . . . Rather than a place, Hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy."


    In October, the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a "halfway house" between Heaven and Hell, inhabited by unba
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    I was hugely relieved when Limbo was done away with but where the ph-ck has Purgatory gone?


    The Pope has me utterly confused now.

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      #3
      Dougal: God, I've heard about those cults Ted. People dressing up in black and saying Our Lord's going to come back and save us all.

      Ted: No, Dougal, that's us. That's Catholicism.

      Dougal: Oh right.

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        #4
        So what happens to all those people who atemeat on Friday?
        There are only two roads, victory for the working class, freedom, or victory for the fascists which means tyranny. Both combatants know what\'s in store for the loser.

        Buenaventura Durruti

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          #5

          Originally posted by Ronnie
          So what happens to all those people who atemeat on Friday?
          We get a light grilling and are then sent on our way
          Is minic a bhris béal duine a shróin

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            Originally posted by Sarsfield
            Originally posted by Ronnie
            So what happens to all those people who atemeat on Friday?
            We get a light grilling and are then sent on our way

            tasty
            "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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              #7


              You descend into Hell if you die in a state of mortal sin, according to the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.


              If you died in Ireland in mortal sin, (perhaps after one last lustful thought concerning the buxomy nurse, who had changed your diaper earlier in the day), you descend into Hell. So that means you must travel to the antipodes to meet old Nick. Well, you can't descend northwards can you? So you either take the overland route or go through the earth, but whatever route you take you still end up in New Zealand.


              I now finally understand why the All Blacks are so good. They're in cahoots with the Devil, who lives there. These people are in such a state of sin that they are saved the first part of the journey and are already camped on Hell's doorstep. It also explains why they are adour, humourless people. If you knew all that awaited you was to have your arse burned for eternity you would not be a happy camper either.


              How do I know this? Because the Pope is infallible; if he says you descend you descend.

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                #8
                Dipstick has just revealed the Third secret of Fatima and has seriously libelled the great All Blacks!

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                  #9





                  Somewhat puts the mockers on the "but it's just a code for living your life by" nonsense doesn't it?


                  Clear choice for the Catholics amongst us - subscribe to the concept of everlasting punishment of sinners in actual and factual fire or become a protestant.
                  "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                  "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                  "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Balla Boy





                    Somewhat puts the mockers on the "but it's just a code for living your life by" nonsense doesn't it?


                    Clear choice for the Catholics amongst us - subscribe to the concept of everlasting punishment of sinners in actual and factual fire or become a protestant.





                    Eternal damnation is taught in the Bible and as such is also believed by protestants. How you escape it is where we differ.
                    There are only two roads, victory for the working class, freedom, or victory for the fascists which means tyranny. Both combatants know what\'s in store for the loser.

                    Buenaventura Durruti

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                      #11


                      Lads the Pope is wrong. I explained all this before ! When we die we are beamed up to a spaceship and taken back to our home planet. BTW if you have been a bad person you will be taken to Venus instead of the home planet.


                      Aliens bless you !
                      "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too ?" - Douglas Adams

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ronnie
                        Originally posted by Balla Boy





                        Somewhat puts the mockers on the "but it's just a code for living your life by" nonsense doesn't it?


                        Clear choice for the Catholics amongst us - subscribe to the concept of everlasting punishment of sinners in actual and factual fire or become a protestant.





                        Eternal damnation is taught in the Bible and as such is also believed by protestants. How you escape it is where we differ.


                        Wouldn't that depend how you define Protestant Ronnie?
                        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

                        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


                        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Balla Boy
                          Originally posted by Ronnie
                          Originally posted by Balla Boy





                          Somewhat puts the mockers on the "but it's just a code for living your life by" nonsense doesn't it?


                          Clear choice for the Catholics amongst us - subscribe to the concept of everlasting punishment of sinners in actual and factual fire or become a protestant.





                          Eternal damnation is taught in the Bible and as such is also believed by protestants. How you escape it is where we differ.


                          Wouldn't that depend how you define Protestant Ronnie?





                          A believer in 'The Doctrines of Grace' more commonly, but erroneously, referred to as a 'Calvinist'. Someone whose belief is based on the Bible as the sole source of divine revelation and as summarised in one of the great Confessions of Faith i.e: The 1689 Baptist Confession, the 1645 Westminster Confession, the Thirty Nine Articles of the Church of England or the Savoy Confession.
                          There are only two roads, victory for the working class, freedom, or victory for the fascists which means tyranny. Both combatants know what\'s in store for the loser.

                          Buenaventura Durruti

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