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    Dedicated to all those who think public sector workers get paid too much.

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    #2
    Their employers are broke. Like any other co. when that happens you getf**ked
    My computer thinks I'm gay
    What's the difference anyway
    When all the people do all day
    Is stare into a phone

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      #3

      Originally posted by sewa
      Their employers are broke. Like any other co. when that happens you getf**ked
      Well now, remember that the next time you have to take your child to A&E:
      "They're broke my son, and so are you. Now get over it."


      It's really past time you put away your Boy's Own Spiffing SocioEconomic Super Kit</span> and put on some long trousers.
      Munster – Champions of Europe 2006, 2008, 2020.

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        #4
        Tbf and at least from a UK perspective, the argument isn't
        so much with front-line, medical staff in a secondary care
        setting; the argument, such as it is, is with SHA, PCT and
        Acute Trust management layers; GPs, dentists etc and their
        inflated contracts; and lastly, DH arms-length, bodies like
        CfH who have overseen such a squandering of the public
        monies on 'failed' national programmes.

        In the recent past, all of the above categories of
        'employee' have been in a very 'nice place' relative to the
        private sector - competitive salaries, excellent job security,
        generous pension and holiday entitlements and no real
        compunction to 'perform'. Thankfully, the cosy
        arrangements may be coming to an end.
        'I am thankful for laughter, except when milk comes out of my nose' - Woody Allen

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          #5

          Originally posted by Loop
          Tbf and at least from a UK perspective, the argument isn't

          so much with front-line, medical staff in a secondary care

          setting; the argument, such as it is, is with SHA, PCT and

          Acute Trust management layers; GPs, dentists etc and their

          inflated contracts; and lastly, DH arms-length, bodies like

          CfH who have overseen such a squandering of the public

          monies on 'failed' national programmes.



          In the recent past, all of the above categories of

          'employee' have been in a very 'nice place' relative to the

          private sector - competitive salaries, excellent job security,

          generous pension and holiday entitlements and no real

          compunction to 'perform'. Thankfully, the cosy

          arrangements may be coming to an end.
          Same in the Irish context, I agree. But the glib statements from the right in Ireland advocating collective punishment for the people because their 'wealth-creating' heroes in the banks and building industry have looted the country and left the state broke pisses me right off.


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            #6
            Originally posted by rathbaner
            Originally posted by Loop
            Tbf and at least from a UK perspective, the argument isn't
            so much with front-line, medical staff in a secondary care
            setting; the argument, such as it is, is with SHA, PCT and
            Acute Trust management layers; GPs, dentists etc and their
            inflated contracts; and lastly, DH arms-length, bodies like
            CfH who have overseen such a squandering of the public
            monies on 'failed' national programmes.

            In the recent past, all of the above categories of
            'employee' have been in a very 'nice place' relative to the
            private sector - competitive salaries, excellent job security,
            generous pension and holiday entitlements and no real
            compunction to 'perform'. Thankfully, the cosy
            arrangements may be coming to an end.
            Same in the Irish context, I agree. But the glib statements from the right in Ireland advocating collective punishment for the people because their 'wealth-creating' heroes in the banks and building industry have looted the country and left the state broke pisses me right off.

            So whats your answer, higher taxes? Costs have to be cut somewhere
            My computer thinks I'm gay
            What's the difference anyway
            When all the people do all day
            Is stare into a phone

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              #7
              Of course there must be cuts in public spending. We simply cannot escape that.

              But here's how it should be done:

              1. Punish those responsible for the bust: Top 100 CEOs, bank risk managers, 'independent ' auditors, Central Bank brass, Dept of finance mandarins etc must serve five years in jail or be publicly flogged and barred for life from holding any responsible office. I don't care how these are selected I just want to see retribution.
              2. Bertie exiled to Inishvickalaun for life
              3. Politicians wages cut to 150% avg industrial wage
              4. Corp tax hike of 2%
              5. 30% haircut for snr bonholders
              6. End to patronage and quangoes
              7. 30% cut in management grades across public sector


              8. Now i'll talk about cutting back public services, health and welfare

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                #8
                Originally posted by rathbaner
                Of course there must be cuts in public
                spending. We simply cannot escape that.But here's how it
                should be done:1. Punish those responsible for the bust: 
                Top 100 CEOs, bank risk managers, 'independent '
                auditors, Central Bank brass,  Dept of finance mandarins
                etc must serve five years in jail or be publicly flogged and
                barred for life from holding any responsible office.  I don't
                care how these are selected I just want to see
                retribution.2. Bertie exiled to Inishvickalaun for life3.
                Politicians wages cut to 150% avg industrial wage4. Corp
                tax hike of 2%5. 30% haircut for snr bonholders6. End to
                patronage and quangoes 7. 30% cut in management
                grades across public sector8. Now i'll talk about cutting
                back public services, health and welfare
                Surely Rockall would be more fitting.
                Gwan Joe!!

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                  #9
                  From the personal perspective, I've been in hospital since Thursday morning. 30 hours in A&amp;E and the rest of the time recovering from surgery. The nurses and doctors might have a tough time of it but they in no way let on that that is the case. The nurses have a constant smile on their face, and are always pleasant. The doctors look rushed off their feet but still take as much time answering questions as necessary. Even the girls bringing the food go out of their way to help you. Whatever sum they're getting, they deserve it (at least at the levels I've encountered.)

                  What was a f**king disgrace, and I think I mentioned it on here before, was the last time I was in here I asked if there was anywhere I could get a coffee at 2am. The nurse told me that unfortunately there were only crappy machines because the powers that be decided to close down the staff canteen during the night, and stopped serving hot food beyond soups and salads at any hour of the day. This was a tiny Phillippino nurse who maintained her only indulgence was a hearty dose of mate and spuds during her break. These nurses work 12 hour shifts and the doctors can be on call for up to 36 hours. That they couldn't get a hot meal is an absolute disgrace. And that's the kind of thing management should be fighting for. Having hungry and tired doctors and nurses from a lack of canteen is the cost cutting measure that looks good on the books but will result in a serious effect on actual service.
                  I know something that will blow your minds. I can't tell you and I can't tell you why I can't tell you. You'll know soon and then I'll be confirmed right.

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                    #10

                    Originally posted by sewa
                    Their employers are broke. Like any other co. when that happens you getf**ked
                    Their employers aren't broke.

                    Their employers have chosen to use the available tax funds, plus future borrowings, to bail out banks.

                    A quick anecdote ... my wife's friend works for one one of the banks funded by the taxpayer. Her salary has gone from £65k a year three years ago to £115k now ... yes, a certain amount of progress would be expected, but she's been explicitly told that her salary is raising in lieu of bonuses. Normally she'd get £15k - £20K in bonuses, but because of the recession it's not prudent to pay that, so instead it is added to her salary.

                    Mrs F's - who works in the Big 4 - has seen salary exceptions gone up by at least 60% in the last 18 months .... good for us, as we've benefited, but fubared for the economy generally.
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                      #11


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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fitzy73
                        Originally posted by sewa
                        Their employers are broke. Like any other
                        co. when that happens you get f**ked
                        Their
                        employers aren't broke.  Their employers have chosen to
                        use the available tax funds, plus future borrowings, to bail
                        out banks.  A quick anecdote ... my wife's friend works for
                        one one of the banks funded by the taxpayer.  Her salary
                        has gone from £65k a year three years ago to £115k now
                        ... yes, a certain amount of progress would be expected, 
                        but she's been explicitly told that her salary is raising in
                        lieu of bonuses.  Normally she'd get £15k  - £20K in
                        bonuses, but because of the recession it's not prudent to
                        pay that, so instead it is added to her salary.  Mrs F's - who
                        works in the Big 4 - has seen salary exceptions gone up by
                        at least 60% in the last 18 months .... good for us, as
                        we've benefited, but fubared for the economy generally.
                        Fitzy 2 major issues with what you've said. Firstly had the
                        banks not been bailed out then the ordinary man would
                        have been screwed way beyond what you're seeing at the
                        moment. That had to be done to protect the savings and
                        general bank accounts of the average man on the street.

                        Secondly the people making the cuts 1) didn't bail out the
                        banks (that was the last government but people are
                        conveniently losing that fact) and 2) they're not the ones
                        actually threatening front line services. There's a lot of
                        people in the chain who are playing games with what will or
                        won't be cut.

                        The second part of your post is unfortunately something
                        governments can do a great deal of f**k all about. If they
                        tried to tax and slash and burn their way through these
                        guys they'd be employed by the foreign arms, out of touch
                        tax wise and every other trick possible to avoid it. More's
                        the point, again something so many politically motivated
                        protesters are deliberately avoiding, the deals to fund
                        those banks were done by the last government and there's
                        nothing the current government can do to reverse what has
                        already happened. Which means the piss poor deals that
                        were done (and they were s**te, they were just handing
                        public money over, rather than actually buying those
                        banks, which is what should have happened), are stuck on
                        everyone now running things. There's feck all power to go
                        with the huge funding that was handed to them.

                        If you want to start talking about what government can do
                        here's a list:

                        1. Cut the loopholes that mean the kind of shops you and I
                        and everyone else on here will be happily using (like the
                        big supermarkets) aren't able to keep avoiding taxes on a
                        vast scale.

                        2. Stop the waste of money. Start putting real pressure on
                        the people administering the things like NHS trusts and
                        local government to stop the gravy trains, high salaries and
                        perks that go on there. Stop wasting money hand over fist
                        on non essential services.



                        And on the subject of the NHS and the service it provides,
                        there's 2 sides to this.

                        There's some really great people there. My son has been
                        in A&E several times, and out of hours calls etc in his first 6
                        years and the service has been great.

                        On the other side, I've been in hospital with him and seen
                        cockroaches crawling across the floor. When he was born,
                        because he could breast feed off my wife (turned out he
                        had bad reflux problems) there was NO help from the
                        nursing staff. The pair of them were left to get on with it
                        and had I not stood there and insisted they gave us some
                        milk he could have died. To make it clear I'm not
                        exagerating, in the same hospital a week after he was
                        born, a baby died for that exa

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                          #13
                          There are layers of middle management in the public sector
                          and especially the health sector who have no overall
                          contribution to make to the health sector. These salary
                          savings would easily compensate for any budgetary cuts in
                          the past few months.

                          The setting up of the HSE was the beginning of the end for the
                          health sector. It will take years to recover from it even though
                          it will be entirely abolished.
                          I always knew Madigan was a closet Scrum Half. Ignore All things that suggest Continuity.

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                            #14
                            I think it's a disgrace the public sector don't get paid overtime.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by 3Crowns3Stars
                              I think it's a disgrace the public
                              sector don't get paid overtime.
                              I work in the private sector, have just done 100+ hours in last
                              2 weeks and won't see a penny of overtime so don't make me
                              laugh.

                              Edit - See outlaws point, there's some who should but the
                              myth that public sector workers have a hard time compared to
                              private sector is just that.

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