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    Originally posted by Jackie Brown View Post
    The banks are going to have to step up to the plate. Now is the time they pay back the 2008 scandal. Mortgage payments and loans put on hold.
    You are right:

    - provide a pause on all mortgages, personal and business loans for a period of 3 months
    - charge the ECB rate I.e. zero on this stay
    - emergency low interest credit for affected sectors

    this can be complemented by Govt measures to ensure payments for employees and self employed most affected by this crisis.

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      Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
      Well we had 18 in the republic last Friday, 90 yesterday. But many more were undiagnosed cases last Friday. The true cases are far higher than what we know from testing (see below)

      this is a great article, well worth a read:

      https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca

      This is the most important graph : attached below


      It shows in orange bars the daily official number of cases in the Hubei province: How many people were diagnosed that day.

      The grey bars show the true daily coronavirus cases. The Chinese CDC found these by asking patients during the diagnostic when their symptoms started.

      Crucially, these true cases weren’t known at the time. We can only figure them out looking backwards: The authorities don’t know that somebody just started having symptoms. They know when somebody goes to the doctor and gets diagnosed.

      What this means is that the orange bars show you what authorities knew, and the grey ones what was really happening.

      On January 21st, the number of new diagnosed cases (orange) is exploding: there are around 100 new cases. In reality, there were 1,500 new cases that day, growing exponentially. But the authorities didn’t know that. What they knew was that suddenly there were 100 new cases of this new illness.

      Two days later, authorities shut down Wuhan. At that point, the number of diagnosed daily new cases was ~400. Note that number: they made a decision to close the city with just 400 new cases in a day. In reality, there were 2,500 new cases that day, but they didn’t know that.

      The day after, another 15 cities in Hubei shut down.
      That's a really odd article.

      He goes to great lengths to point out that the true number of cases is multiples of what is being officially recorded, because of lack of testing, people unknowingly getting it and passing it off as a cold / flu, people being asymptomatic etc.

      He then precedes to say that the death rate could be 5% - 6%, but bases that on confirmed cases i.e. They have been tested.

      You can't just base a mortality rate on those tested.

      We don't have any real idea if how many people will get this at, not to mind a mortality rate. It's way to early to figure it out imho.
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        Any extended shutdown and school closure is going to have profound effect. There's only so much grandparents can do for any child so where parents still have jobs we could be back to one parent at home being the norm

        the world is in for a big shakeup. Nationalisation of banks and utilities , massive mortgage breaks or write offs all on the cards
        "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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          Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post

          Portugal has a very centre left govt at the moment (responsible for turning the economy around sharply after years of centre right austerity) and they are very keen to keen the working class onside.
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          The interesting thing is Portugal, like Ireland, is beholden to the ECB, so it has fiscal constraints. Despite that, they are still doing the right thing.

          As the BOE is lender if last resort, the UK could literally deposit 10k in everyone's account tomorrow if it wanted to. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the economic upheaval that will surely follow this outbreak.
          Very interesting perspective- I think there is a great reluctance to increase the potential for fraud. That said, this pandemic is, or at least should be, challenging our thinking on a whole range of issues. As I’ve said above somewhere, perhaps there are things of long term value we can gain from this.
          Last edited by jagawayagain; 14th-March-2020, 21:17.

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            Are people gonna wig out if the army are deployed? I wouldn't find it too distressing but I'd see them as aiding the cops and medical forces in a humanitarian way rather than some jackbooted occupying force of intimidation
            I am the million man.

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              No issues as long as they get paid a fair wage.

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                Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                No issues as long as they get paid a fair wage.
                Their overtime rate is appalling.

                PS Viigand the socialist. Truly, this is the end of days ..
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                  Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
                  Any extended shutdown and school closure is going to have profound effect. There's only so much grandparents can do for any child so where parents still have jobs we could be back to one parent at home being the norm

                  the world is in for a big shakeup. Nationalisation of banks and utilities , massive mortgage breaks or write offs all on the cards

                  Big Brother may finally arrive.

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                    Maybe

                    Meanwhile if reports are to be believed temple bar is rocking
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                      Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                      No issues as long as they get paid a fair wage.
                      If past experience is anything to go by they will probably get another service medal and little else.

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                        Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
                        Maybe

                        Meanwhile if reports are to be believed temple bar is rocking
                        An awful pity we could not get an Army riot squad to raid a few of those places and give them all a good beating.
                        Last edited by glorob; 14th-March-2020, 22:06.

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                          Judging from the pics on the web cam over the night there's plenty of hens and stags still about but I'm sure it's not exclusively tourists.

                          https://www.earthcam.com/world/irela...?cam=templebar
                          Last edited by Hugged Rugger; 14th-March-2020, 22:09.
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                            There are reports of guards closing pubs about Dublin but more suburbs
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                              Originally posted by Cowboy View Post
                              Are people gonna wig out if the army are deployed? I wouldn't find it too distressing but I'd see them as aiding the cops and medical forces in a humanitarian way rather than some jackbooted occupying force of intimidation
                              No problem. deploy them to the city centres and rubber bullet the muppets out on the tear.
                              Life is good

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