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    Originally posted by Wallyman View Post

    There won't be another general lockdown anywhere in Europe. There may be localised lockdowns, but we now have track and trace systems in place with tracking apps coming online. The majority of people continue to social distance and follow the hygiene protocols. Mask wearing is increasing (and mandatory on the continent). The procedures are in place for the hospitals to ramp up again for another wave and there is plenty of PPE in reserve.

    And I counter pointed that 'elite' by pointing to the head of the French version of NPHET saying that there is a 50/50 chance of a second wave. So if not when. There's also the point that Covid has been proven to be in Europe in December, so the recent outbreak could easily have been the second wave.
    Certainly hope things get under control as you envision. We'll have to wait and see.
    Stand up for the Ulcer men

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      Originally posted by Wallyman View Post

      Source?
      Medical experts discussing it on this mornings Pat Kenny show on Newstalk. The podcast is usually up fairly quickly if you want to listen back.

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        Originally posted by Sulla View Post

        USA problem was, and is, they reopened way too early, Mid-west states were only at the start of the curve when they reopened, virus was not even under control, at least here it's been consistently under 1 in the R rate for a long while, with a structured reopening,
        They don't have track and trace, and the amount of eejits who won't take precautions because of their "freedom" is astounding.

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          https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...ospitals-fees/

          Prices ranging between €75 and €250 for a COVID test before attending a private hospital for a procedure.

          Kinda feels like gouging you me
          Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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            Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post
            https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/...ospitals-fees/

            Prices ranging between €75 and €250 for a COVID test before attending a private hospital for a procedure.

            Kinda feels like gouging you me
            Believe the actual cost of each test is €200. This is what your heroes in the new FF/FG/Green regime have to pay for every test the plebs get.
            Stand up for the Ulcer men

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              Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

              Believe the actual cost of each test is €200. This is what your heroes in the new FF/FG/Green regime have to pay for every test the plebs get.
              I guessed that if the lowest charge was €75 that the test would cost less than that?
              Only fools and drunks argue over everything. If you don’t have a hangover the next day you’re not the drunk...

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                Originally posted by Oldschoolsocks View Post

                I guessed that if the lowest charge was €75 that the test would cost less than that?
                Feels like gouging all the same.
                Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                  Not great news...

                  https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/06/h...mpression=true
                  "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                  Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                  Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                    Originally posted by Waterfordlad View Post
                    Your immune system uses more than just antibodies.

                    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53248660

                    Herd immunity is a pipe dream without a vaccine. Although as more people catch it and recover the spread will slow down.

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                      In case anyone thought there was hope:
                      Nearly one in six Britons will refuse a coronavirus vaccine if and when one becomes available, and a similar number are unsure whether they will get one, according to a survey.

                      https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...vid-19-vaccine
                      "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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                        Encouraging to see the numbers downloading the HSE's tracking app.

                        Presumably Private Firecracker will be along soon to tell us it's all just a way for Leo to monetize our location data.
                        "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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                          Originally posted by Jenta View Post
                          In case anyone thought there was hope:
                          Nearly one in six Britons will refuse a coronavirus vaccine if and when one becomes available, and a similar number are unsure whether they will get one, according to a survey.

                          https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...vid-19-vaccine
                          Don't worry,, 1 in 6 not getting a vaccine would not likely prevent its effectiveness.

                          also on an aside, there seems to be confounding factors preventing as many people as was modeled actually contracting the virus. There's still much uncertainty about what these confounding factors may be e.g. exposure to other Corona viruses (flus) may convey some sort of partial immunity, bcg vaccine ditto, or other. But there seems to be some partial population immunity to covid19. So, for the much touted herd immunity to kick in, (I.e. enough immunity to keep R《1 longterm), it may be plausible that it is achievable at very low levels of antibody prevalence in the community if it is providing immunity alongside other , as yet unproven, but nonetheless observed, co-immunity factors already prevalent in the general population. So, it's not all bad news wrt managing this pandemic e.g.
                          1. a second infection spike is only a 50% probability
                          2. the virus may well morph to a more benign version of itself
                          3. clinical treatments for treating the virus are improving constantly and ,
                          4. the capability of the general community and public health infrastructure to manage potential future outbreaks has beefed up no end.

                          So there are many grounds for cautious optimism imho.
                          Last edited by Daithi; 7-July-2020, 13:01.
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                            Originally posted by Daithi View Post

                            Don't worry,, 1 in 6 not getting a vaccine would not likely prevent its effectiveness.

                            also on an aside, there seems to be confounding factors preventing as many people as was modeled actually contracting the virus. There's still much uncertainty about what these confounding factors may be e.g. exposure to other Corona viruses (flus) may convey some sort of partial immunity, bcg vaccine ditto, or other. But there seems to be some partial population immunity to covid19. So, for the much touted herd immunity to kick in, (I.e. enough immunity to keep R《1 longterm), it may be plausible that it is achievable at very low levels of antibody prevalence in the community if it is providing immunity alongside other , as yet unproven, but nonetheless observed, co-immunity factors already prevalent in the general population. So, it's not all bad news wrt managing this pandemic e.g.
                            1. a second infection spike is only a 50% probability
                            2. the virus may well morph to a more benign version of itself
                            3. clinical treatments for treating the virus are improving constantly and ,
                            4. the capability of the general community and public health infrastructure to manage potential future outbreaks has beefed up no end.

                            So there are many grounds for cautious optimism imho.
                            Spanish Study Casts doubt on Herd Immunity

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53315983

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                              Originally posted by SkullinPints View Post

                              Spanish Study Casts doubt on Herd Immunity

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53315983
                              That's because only 5% of the population got it. You need 70-80% of the population to have gotten it for herd immunity to kick in.

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                                Originally posted by Daithi View Post

                                Don't worry,, 1 in 6 not getting a vaccine would not likely prevent its effectiveness.
                                It certainly wouldn't help.

                                My comment was more directed at the general pervasiveness of anti-science attitudes that have caught on lately as a result of a huge US movement centred around vaccination.
                                "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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