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    Originally posted by Piquet View Post
    On Twitter

    "From my 83 yr old mother in law.

    I know I shouldn't have done this, but I am 83 years old and I was in the McDonald's Carrickmines drive-through yesterday and the young lady behind me leaned on her horn and started mouthing something because I was taking too long to place my order. So when I got to the first window I paid for her order along with my own. The cashier must have told her what I'd done, because as we moved up she leaned out her window and waved to me and mouthed "Thank you.", obviously embarrassed that I had repaid her rudeness with a kindness. When I got to the second windows showed them both receipts and took her food too. Now she has to go back to the end of the queue and start all over again, Don't blow your horn at old people, they have been around a long time."
    Find this hard to believe. An 83 year old would have far more sense that bothering with McDonald’s.

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      Originally posted by The Last Stand View Post

      Find this hard to believe. An 83 year old would have far more sense that bothering with McDonald’s.
      Do you believe everything you read on Twitter?

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        Swedish exceptionalism has been ended by coronavirus

        Erik Augustin Palm
        It has taken a shocking Covid-19 death toll to dent the national self-image of moral superiority. But dented it has been



        26 March 2020: ‘The weight of opinion laid emphasis on the view that Sweden was doing the right thing by refusing to engage in a mass lockdown.’ Photograph: Colm Fulton/Reuters

        “Haverist” is a Swedish word meaning “shipwrecked person”. During the course of Sweden’s shambolic response to Covid-19, dissent – whether from epidemiologists or journalists – has often been met with this insult, which implies the critics are fighting a losing battle. It’s telling of the way Sweden has handled its failure.

        Through a uniquely slack approach (seen by many as the largely debunked “herd immunity” approach, even if the government denies this), Sweden reached the highest Covid-19 deaths per capita in the world in May. It still circles around the top, with more than 5,200 deaths – five times as many as in Norway, Finland and Denmark combined. After months of a mainly one-sided debate, critical voices are mounting. Even Sweden’s state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, admits to fault. But this has not been enough to change his agency’s strategy, which a majority of Swedes still have confidence in – although that support has waned.

        The idea of the “opinion corridor”, which has become infamous in the discussion around Sweden, helps illuminate why the country’s Covid-19 debate has been so flawed. It refers to the narrow range of opinions deemed appropriate in Swedish media. Although not entirely different to other concepts on discourse parameters, the opinion corridor is a particular product of Sweden’s attachment to consensus building. Ask any expat there and they’ll tell you how committed Swedes are to this as an end in itself. They will probably also tell you that going against the grain in Sweden can have real consequences, whether it be social or career costs.

        The problems with sticking to a narrow consensus can, for example, be seen in Sweden’s narcotics debate, which is dominated by globally antiquated views. It’s a topic on which neighbouring countries Norway and Denmark demonstrate a much wider and more updated span of perspectives, also reflected in legislation.

        The result is a highly cloistered discourse in which a few dozen Swedish media pundits determine what is and isn’t deemed permissible debate: and the idea that Sweden had got it completely wrong on coronavirus was considered anathema. Quickly, the weight of opinion – through analysis in opinion pages, and broadcast and social media – laid emphasis on the view that Sweden was doing the right thing by refusing to engage in a mass lockdown or deploy a test, trace and isolate model. Despite this being totally out of line with the rest of the world, I’ve never received so much ad hominem vitriol from colleagues as I did after I wrote an article for Slate critical of the Swedish model.

        At the heart of all this is a national self-image of moral superiority – embodied in the Social Democratic prime minister, Stefan Löfven. Despite the horrendous death toll, Löfven still argues his Covid-19 strategy hasn’t failed.

        One peculiar political dynamic within Sweden explains why this view echoed through the walls of the opinion corridor. Most voices in the corridor have a leftist or centre-left perspective, often having earned their progressive bona fides by fighting Sweden’s far right. And, while in other countries it has mainly been the left criticising insubstantial responses to the pandemic, in Sweden the fiercest political critics have been the right.

        This can in part be explained by the far-right nationalist Sweden Democrats’ playbook of aggressive opposition to the establishment no matter what, which allowed them to grow to be – at times – the most popular party in polls since 2018. The Sweden Democrats leader, Jimmie Åkesson, was the harshest critic of the Swedish model in a televised debate about the pandemic, again guided by his party’s playbook. That he later, in an interview with tabloid Aftonbladet, compared the strategy to “a massacre” is ironic considering Sweden Democrats’ neo-Nazi roots. But it’s an opportunity Åkesson wouldn’t fail to take advantage of.

        In response, most Swedish progressives have instinctively supported the government, while querying certain elements of the strategy – such as the lack of protection in care homes – but leaving the fundamental critique to the right. That they have made it possible for their worst opponent to appear in line with the international consensus is a remarkable act of self-sabotage. Compare this positioning to the US left, where politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been showing solidarity by handing out face masks at Black Lives Matters-protests – face masks that Tegnell still doesn’t officially recommend in public spaces, despite calls from Swedish experts.

        This issue of not wearing masks has surely spread not only Covid-19, but fear and racism. For instance, a Chinese exchange student was attacked on Stockholm’s subway and told by the assailants to “take off [his] ****ing mask”. And certain immigrant groups have been hit disproportionately hard by Covid-19, while government adviser Johan Giesecke partially explained away the death toll in care homes by reference to “asylum seekers” and refugee care workers who may not have understood the public health information. A nationalism also has flared up within the Swedish left – stubbornly defending its country’s outlier approach – which overlaps with the usual rhetoric of the far right. As a Swedish progressive I’m appalled by this development.

        The ostracising of critics has affected the Swedish Covid-19 coverage, which helps explain public opinion and behaviour. By extension, a large proportion of blame for the death toll falls upon a media environment that is too quick to close ranks and defend the status quo. It’s upheld by individuals, some more than others. Some soul-searching is in order for them, and for Sweden as a nation; both into how the country came to embrace this disastrous strategy, but also into how our opinion corridor helped lay its path.

        Covid-19 has toppled Swedish exceptionalism. How are we so open-minded with such limited room for divergence? How are we so rational when our Covid-19 strategy is an outlier compared to that of countries with more successful responses based on the same data? There’s no environmentalist teenager to admire here. Just a toxic pride contributing to more than 5,200 dead Swedes, who might otherwise have been saved. Hindsight suggests it’s Sweden’s leadership, its strategy and gatekeepers in the media who are shipwrecked – not the dissenters.

        • Erik Augustin Palm is a Swedish journalist and TV producer based in Stockholm, Tokyo and Los Angeles
        I am the million man.

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          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ApONwNvN_-le32

          The dangerous attitudes of putting economy first is coming home to roost.

          I have 2 family members involved in healthcare in Houston. The situation is dire. For those unfamiliar with Houston it has the largest medical complex in US, possibly the world in Texas Medical Center. At the start of the crisis I said to them at least ye have huge resources and state of the art facilities at hand. The stark reality is that no amount of facilities and expert staff can save you from corrupt idiotic political leaders. The most worrying aspect is that they estimate the current surge of cases is around people in beaches,bars, beauticians etc on Memorial weekend. The numbers from BLM, the Floyd funeral etc may present in the coming days.

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            According to HIQA the excess deaths from Covid 19 is between 1100 and 1200 averaged over a 10 year period. We've over reported by 500 - 600 on our official figures. https://www.rte.ie/amp/1151127/?__tw...mpression=true
            Last edited by Wallyman; 3-July-2020, 08:24.

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              Originally posted by Rebel Yell View Post
              https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ApONwNvN_-le32

              The dangerous attitudes of putting economy first is coming home to roost.

              I have 2 family members involved in healthcare in Houston. The situation is dire. For those unfamiliar with Houston it has the largest medical complex in US, possibly the world in Texas Medical Center. At the start of the crisis I said to them at least ye have huge resources and state of the art facilities at hand. The stark reality is that no amount of facilities and expert staff can save you from corrupt idiotic political leaders. The most worrying aspect is that they estimate the current surge of cases is around people in beaches,bars, beauticians etc on Memorial weekend. The numbers from BLM, the Floyd funeral etc may present in the coming days.
              Florida and Texas are really bad. The notion that you can completely open and not expect a huge spike is being badly exposed.
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                Judging by the scene outside a well known pub in Ballsbridge yesterday evening some pubs aren't taking the substantial meal aspect of the phased reopening too seriously. I can sympathise with people trying to get a bit of cash in after being closed for so long but it's pretty short sighted. Pubs will be the first to be shuttered again once cases jump. It's also deeply unfair on the pubs that are following guidelines.

                "It’s not the team you support, it’s the club you should support. The team on the pitch will ebb and flow because that’s the nature of sport. No team has ever been successful decade on decade. The club has the history and that’s the passion you should have."

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                  As you say, failure to comply will come back to bite when we are back in full quarantine in a few weeks time.

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                    Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                    As you say, failure to comply will come back to bite when we are back in full quarantine in a few weeks time.
                    We're not going back into full quarantine. Ever. This has already been stated by the government and NPHET. And there is practically no source of the disease in the general public. Something that has also been stated by NPHET. Just like the DIY stores opening, kids socialising and Pennys opening didn't lead to a second wave, this won't either.

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                      Originally posted by Wallyman View Post

                      We're not going back into full quarantine. Ever. This has already been stated by the government and NPHET. And there is practically no source of the disease in the general public. Something that has also been stated by NPHET. Just like the DIY stores opening, kids socialising and Pennys opening didn't lead to a second wave, this won't either.
                      Have my doubts. The infection rate combined with the shocking numbers of asymptomatic carriers............means that just a few initial infections can mushroom exponentially before you can say Bob's your uncle (or your aunt, depending on your orientation). Seem to remember one of the elite remarking about 'when the 2nd wave comes.......not if..)
                      Stand up for the Ulcer men

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                        Originally posted by Rebel Yell View Post
                        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ApONwNvN_-le32

                        The dangerous attitudes of putting economy first is coming home to roost.

                        I have 2 family members involved in healthcare in Houston. The situation is dire. For those unfamiliar with Houston it has the largest medical complex in US, possibly the world in Texas Medical Center. At the start of the crisis I said to them at least ye have huge resources and state of the art facilities at hand. The stark reality is that no amount of facilities and expert staff can save you from corrupt idiotic political leaders. The most worrying aspect is that they estimate the current surge of cases is around people in beaches,bars, beauticians etc on Memorial weekend. The numbers from BLM, the Floyd funeral etc may present in the coming days.
                        4th July tomorrow... USA is ****ed
                        Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                          Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post

                          Florida and Texas are really bad. The notion that you can completely open and not expect a huge spike is being badly exposed.
                          USA problem was, and is, they reopened way too early, Mid-west states were only at the start of the curve when they reopened, virus was not even under control, at least here it's been consistently under 1 in the R rate for a long while, with a structured reopening,
                          Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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                            Originally posted by tippete7trees View Post

                            Have my doubts. The infection rate combined with the shocking numbers of asymptomatic carriers............means that just a few initial infections can mushroom exponentially before you can say Bob's your uncle (or your aunt, depending on your orientation). Seem to remember one of the elite remarking about 'when the 2nd wave comes.......not if..)
                            There won't be another general lockdown anywhere in Europe. There may be localised lockdowns, but we now have track and trace systems in place with tracking apps coming online. The majority of people continue to social distance and follow the hygiene protocols. Mask wearing is increasing (and mandatory on the continent). The procedures are in place for the hospitals to ramp up again for another wave and there is plenty of PPE in reserve.

                            And I counter pointed that 'elite' by pointing to the head of the French version of NPHET saying that there is a 50/50 chance of a second wave. So if not when. There's also the point that Covid has been proven to be in Europe in December, so the recent outbreak could easily have been the second wave.

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                              We don’t have appropriate track and trace systems available in this country yet. The complacency around this is staggering.

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                                Originally posted by Viigand View Post
                                We don’t have appropriate track and trace systems available in this country yet. The complacency around this is staggering.
                                Source?

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