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    Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post



    If they had locked down earlier, less people would have died.

    Who'd have thunk dat?
    Hang on, you keep telling us there is going to be a second wave of the virus and it is going to be worse than the first so how can you possibly know what the total death toll from Covid is going to be, anywhere? ONS reporting a further fall in daily cases from last week, 8000- 5600, that is a 30 % drop while lockdown measures have been increasingly relaxed/ ignored but sure the lockdown prevented 450,000 deaths...

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      So an acceleration of the lifting of restrictions ha been announced.
      Travel upto 20km or within your own county from Monday.
      All shops can reopen. Shopping Centers can reopen on June 15th.
      All travel restrictions gone by 29th June, with hotels, B&Bs,restaurants, pubs with restaurant licences/table service, museums, galleries and churches all reopening that day too.
      4 phases now instead of 5.

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        Originally posted by Salty Dog View Post
        Not registering for the sub to read that Torygraph. Any key points you think bear enlightenment?
        Couldn’t copy the article as it has disappeared from the Telegraph app, funnily enough. Basically a professor of Maths has calculated that the peak of infections in the UK was on March 18th, five days before lockdown on the 23rd, five days after lockdown in, for example, Denmark. If true it is further proof, as if any were needed, that Ferguson’s modelling was cat litter. EDIT there is always the possibility that the lockdown was so strictly observed and successful, in the UK, that it started to influence infection rates five days before it was actually imposed...
        Last edited by the plastic paddy; 5-June-2020, 13:49.

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          Originally posted by Wallyman View Post
          So an acceleration of the lifting of restrictions ha been announced.
          Travel upto 20km or within your own county from Monday.
          All shops can reopen. Shopping Centers can reopen on June 15th.
          All travel restrictions gone by 29th June, with hotels, B&Bs,restaurants, pubs with restaurant licences/table service, museums, galleries and churches all reopening that day too.
          4 phases now instead of 5.
          A bit of good news and optimism for a friday.

          Hon Ireland
          I am the million man.

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            Elite athletes can train.

            sports clubs in groups of 15..

            pity Munster squad are actually on 3 week break..
            Nulla semper amicus, servivit mihi, in iniuriam mihi neminem quem non persolvi

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              Originally posted by Sulla View Post
              Elite athletes can train.

              sports clubs in groups of 15..

              pity Munster squad are actually on 3 week break..
              No point in them training when they won't play until the end of August. This way they can come back at the end of the month and treat if like a normal pre season.

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                France declares coronavirus 'under control' and won't impose new lockdown even if second wave

                Covid-19 is “under control” in France, which will not impose another nationwide lockdown of the country even in the event of a second wave this autumn, according to the head of the country’s scientific council.
                "We can reasonably say the virus is currently under control," Jean-Francois Delfraissy, president of the scientific council that advises the French government on public health strategy during the epidemic, told France Inter radio.
                "The virus is still circulating, in certain regions in particular... but it is circulating slowly," he added.
                The number of daily deaths has fallen with just 44 reported by the health ministry on Thursday and 1,163 patients in intensive care - well below the peak of more than 7,000 critical cases in early April.
                Dr Delfraissy said around 1,000 new cases were currently being reported in France per day, down from around 80,000 in early March, before nationwide confinement orders were issued.

                France's scientific council has listed four possible scenarios the country faces regarding the epidemic in the coming months.
                In the best-case scenario, the virus will disappear or remain at very low levels. Failing that, a second critical cluster could appear as in eastern France at the start of the epidemic. A third scenario sees a slow deterioration of the general situation in autumn with more hospitalisations. In the worst-case scenario, France returns to a "critical deterioration" of infections and hospital pressure.
                De Delfraissy said there was a 50 per cent chance of a second wave this autumn. But even in the worst case, the country would not return to a blanket nationwide lockdown.
                He told Le Parisien: "The scientific council, what we are saying is: whatever happens, we will not be able to rerun a blanket lockdown in France.
                "The first time, it was essential, we had no choice, but the price we have to pay is too high.
                "The population would certainly not accept it, the economic consequences would be major and, even from a health point of view, this is not desirable - do not forget that, apart from Covid, there were all the other patients who had delays in diagnosis during this period."
                He added, however, that some areas could see the return of local lockdown measures if they show a cluster of cases, saying: "I am firmly convinced that if it starts up again, it will start up again in the Paris region."

                While the virus had not disappeared, he said it was now under control thanks to the targeted testing and tracing strategy now in place but also to the virus itself.
                "It is visibly less likely to circulate when temperatures rise. Barring exceptional events, the situation is under control for the next few weeks and even the summer months," he said.
                France initially suffered one of the highest levels of infections and deaths in Europe but draconian nationwide lockdown brought case numbers down and the country’s death toll now stands at 29,065, below that of the UK and Italy.
                Dr Delfraissy conceded that France had been too slow with its testing programme, saying: "At the beginning of March, we were doing about 4,000 tests a day, whereas the Germans were already at about 70,000. Now we have caught up and are at the same level as them, at last!"
                France is now conducting a test and trace strategy, where everyone who tests positive provides a list of contacts who are then called and tested.
                This week, it also now rolled out its coronavirus tracing app, StopCovid.
                Some scientists believe that the virus will recede during the summer months but a second wave may strike this autumn.
                Dr Delfaissy said: "If we look at the history of major pandemics of respiratory viruses, we see that eight out of ten regress spontaneously in European countries during the summer.
                "On the other hand, you have five out of ten that recur in the autumn.
                "We must remain extremely vigilant.”

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                  Originally posted by ick View Post
                  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...down-1.4271422


                  Coronavirus: People to be allowed to travel anywhere in their county from Monday as Ireland moves to exit lockdown

                  I loves me county, boy
                  "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                  Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                  Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                      Originally posted by Hugged Rugger View Post
                      fYI

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                      For Cork people the world is in three divisions,Cork of course,then”Up the country “ and finally “Out foreign”.
                      The early bird catches the worm but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.

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                        Actually it's more subtle than that:
                        1. Town (the area between the two channels of "the River" )
                        2. De Nort' Side.
                        3. De Sout' Side.
                        4. De County
                        5. De Rest of De World.
                        There's very little difference really, between "Up the Country" and "Out Foreign". The natives of both areas are, through no fault of their own, simply inferior.
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                          Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                          Actually it's more subtle than that:
                          1. Town (the area between the two channels of "the River" )
                          2. De Nort' Side.
                          3. De Sout' Side.
                          4. De County
                          5. De Rest of De World.
                          There's very little difference really, between "Up the Country" and "Out Foreign". The natives of both areas are, through no fault of their own, simply inferior.
                          Not "simply" just inferior
                          Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                            Or as we like modestly to say there are 2 types of people...those from Cork or those who wish they were from Cork.

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                              Originally posted by the plastic paddy View Post

                              Hang on, you keep telling us there is going to be a second wave of the virus and it is going to be worse than the first so how can you possibly know what the total death toll from Covid is going to be, anywhere? ONS reporting a further fall in daily cases from last week, 8000- 5600, that is a 30 % drop while lockdown measures have been increasingly relaxed/ ignored but sure the lockdown prevented 450,000 deaths...
                              Multiple sources, from Sage modelled 500,000 deaths. You might want to watch the Dispatches programme on Ch4 the other night. You seem to have in for Ferguson for some reason, despite the fact - and it is a fact - the he wasn't the only one who mentioned half a million.

                              ​​​​​​You've continued to assert that Sweden is the model that everyone should have followed, when even Sweden themselves now realise they shouldn't have followed that model.

                              They R rate is above 1 in South West and North West UK,Y and just below 1 everywhere else. More people died in the UK today from Covid than in the rest of Europe combined. More new cases were positive in the UK (circa 2,000) than the whole of Europe combined.

                              The UK has 1% of the global population and 10% of Covid deaths. Immunity in the UK is at 5 - 7% at present and 60,000 are dead.

                              I could go on and on about what an absolute ****ing **** show it's been here - care homes, track and track, quarantine, etc etc.

                              No one knows if there will be a second wave, but if there is, and based on the response to the first wave as outlined above, it'll kill thousands more.
                              Last edited by fitzy73; 5-June-2020, 22:47.
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                                Originally posted by fitzy73 View Post

                                ​​​​​​.... continued to assert that Sweden is the model that everyone should have followed, when even Sweden themselves now realise they shouldn't have followed that model.....
                                What apparently the lead scientist in Sweden actually said is they would do some things differently (some stricter measures here & some looser measures there ).

                                Norway interestingly say they would like to have done more of what Sweden did...

                                So assuming these people know their onions (& imho they do), the best strategy was probably between that adopted by Sweden & Norway.

                                Imho to properly assess what worked best for a country, you have to measure total extra deaths versus effects on the economy, costs, imposition on society & welfare etc

                                The issue with the way different strategies are being assessed is wrong imho.... i.e. if you're not measuring thr extra deaths due to heart & stroke patients, & preventable cancers, etc, you're not seeing even nearly the whole of the picture..... surely this is obvious?
                                Last edited by Daithi; 6-June-2020, 00:10.
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                                Munster were great when they were Munster.

                                alas they are just north munster now.......
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