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    #16
    Software developers spend most of their working lives trying to interpret vaguely defined and ill-thought out business requirements. A lot of the blame lies with business analysts who define the requirements and customers who haven't a rashers what they want a system to do but they are always right.
    Last edited by B.A.; 20th-September-2019, 18:06.
    When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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      #17
      Originally posted by B.A. View Post
      Software developers spend most of their working lives trying to interpret vaguely defined and ill-thought out business requirements. A lot of the blame lies with business analysts who define the requirements and customers who haven't a rashers what they want a system to do but they are always right.
      Ah here software developers think they have a brilliant idea and develop it without any thought of the real world. Leaving poor saps like me fixing the problem caused by the developer for the end customer.......
      Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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        #18
        Maybe in a startup. I'm a developer and I can't fart without a business analyst's say so. Then the product has to go through 3 or 4 rounds of QA to ensure it conforms to the customer requirements, bug testing etc.
        When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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          #19
          Originally posted by B.A. View Post
          Maybe in a startup. I'm a developer and I can't fart without a business analyst's say so. Then the product has to go through 3 or 4 rounds of QA to ensure it conforms to the customer requirements, bug testing etc.
          That's the theory but as someone who has worked in the industry for 20 plus years what developers produce and test has no bearing in the real world.
          Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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            #20
            20 years myself and that is my experience. Developers don't do testing QA do testing and end user representatives do user acceptance testing.
            Last edited by B.A.; 20th-September-2019, 21:25.
            When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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              #21
              Yes, questions and answers is a very important phase of development.
              "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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                #22
                Lads, I have worked in the pharma industry and in businesses/operations connected thereto for the last 40 years or so.

                Imagine if Big Pharma launched a new product in the same way that the IT business do.

                Thousands of patients are killed in the first month or so but the company issues a statement that they will have a patch issued within a week and all will be right.

                This doesn't happen with Big Pharma because they do (and pay fortunes for) Clinical Trials to make sure that the product works before it is released.

                The IT business gets its customers to conduct the "Clinical trials" to find the foul ups and then, and only then,sorts out the problems.
                Last edited by Piquet; 20th-September-2019, 21:41.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                  Lads, I have worked in the pharma industry and in businesses/operations connected thereto for the last 40 years or so.

                  Imagine if Big Pharma launched a new product in the same way that the IT business do.

                  Thousands of patients are killed in the first month or so but the company issues a statement that they will have a patch issued within a week and all will be right.

                  This doesn't happen with Big Pharma because they do (and pay fortunes for) Clinical Trials to make sure that the product works before it is released.

                  The IT business gets its customers to conduct the "Clinical trials" to find the foul ups and then, and only then,sorts out the problems.
                  Spot on, Piquet. Where IT meets medical in advanced medical devices, the IT side is extensively debugged in advance to prevent deaths
                  "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                  Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                  Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                    #24
                    It really depends on how expensive and how long you are willing to spend on testing software. We have a major bank in the US for a client and we go through 2 rounds of testing by our QA team plus 2 rounds by the bank's QA team. Generally it's pretty bug free because the bank can't afford feck ups. It's a slow tedious expensive process to get the software approved though. If you're developing an app then you have to be quick to market and QA will suffer as a result. How long does it take for a new pharma product to get to Market, how many clinical trials does it have to go through. If a software company gave those kinds of estimates to a customer,they'd be out of business pretty quick.
                    When things go wrong, blame McGahan

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by B.A. View Post
                      ....How long does it take for a new pharma product to get to Market, how many clinical trials does it have to go through. If a software company gave those kinds of estimates to a customer,they'd be out of business pretty quick.
                      Typically there are Phase 1 trials (on healthy volunteers), followed by Phase 2a/b (some specific patients treated, building on data from Phase 1), and then Phase 3 (larger number of patients), all prior to approval of the medicine. In total it can take many years. The fastest trials (from Phase 1 to filing for approval after Phase 3) I have been involved in lasted 3 years, others last 10 years or more.
                      "There are a lot of points that we’ve left behind and this is with a young group. That probably tells you what they’re capable of and that they’re a very good side.

                      Probably next year or the year after next they will take some stopping"

                      Anthony Foley, May 2016. Axel RIP

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                        #26
                        ok by accident or design, the one phone per account even for joint accounts, seems a bit ----ing stupid
                        "Some people don't know their easy lives... I wouldn't be so ungrateful" - Fiacre Ryan - #AutismAndMe

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by treatycity1 View Post
                          Everyone now using mobile banking must be aware of the 2 factor authentication process you have to use from the 14th.
                          Just went to set it up on my phone and wouldn't let me, so rang AIB, it seems if you live abroad and have a "foreign" telephone number they can't send you an SMS with the code. They instructed me to set it up on my laptop using my card reader, did that, my phone is still asking me to set up using SMS.

                          A question for all the IT guys on here, Is it impossible for ye to set up things using some common sense? Between Microsoft verification, verified by visa, and now this I am ready to skin any one working in banking IT alive.
                          We come across the phrase "think outside the box" all the time, I'm surprized if IT muppets even know what a box is.

                          I'm all for additional security measures regarding my online banking, but this is downright stupid, you can send an SMS to the UK but not anywhere else, so I am now considering after 40 years with AIB. closing my accounts and moving to a truely online bank that works.
                          Any suggestions as to a good one will be appreciated.
                          Lots of people I know have ditched aib, boi, ulster bank etc for revolut.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Piquet View Post
                            Lads, I have worked in the pharma industry and in businesses/operations connected thereto for the last 40 years or so.

                            Imagine if Big Pharma launched a new product in the same way that the IT business do.

                            Thousands of patients are killed in the first month or so but the company issues a statement that they will have a patch issued within a week and all will be right.

                            This doesn't happen with Big Pharma because they do (and pay fortunes for) Clinical Trials to make sure that the product works before it is released.

                            The IT business gets its customers to conduct the "Clinical trials" to find the foul ups and then, and only then,sorts out the problems.
                            Microsoft in a nutshell. release sh1t product, users have to deal with all the issues, release a million updates. Then repeat process ad infinitum.
                            I see bill gates has now reinvented himself as a climate warrior, congested space that it is.
                            Id prefer if he was thrown in some version of guantanamo with the hideous death metal and a windows 10 hell.

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                              #29
                              In the Big Bang theory, it seems Sheldon confronted Mr Gates at a charity gig and berated him saying that if he had dropped his Charity work and concentrated more on Windows Vista, it wouldn't have been the unmitigated disaster that it was.

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                                #30
                                No fans of AGILE development here it seems. Comparing developing software for medical devices to commercial banking apps is not really a useful comparison. One is critical if it goes wrong and the other is an inconvenience. Also most medical software is being designed for dedicated hardware which is also strictly controlled. Mobile apps are being developed for a huge fragmented ecosystem of operating systems, oem's and carriers none of which are standing still.
                                QA and good requirements gathering are what needs to improve but if you were to wait a year to develop an app that runs on iOS12 or Android 9 you are wasting your time as its out of date immediately.

                                Irish banks do seem to be particularly bad at software though.
                                The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad.
                                - Salvador Dali (1904-1989)

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