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    Saville Inquiry report released



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    Bloody Sunday killings 'unjustifiable'
    Tuesday, 15 June 2010 15:47


    The Saville Inquiry into the Bloody Sunday killings found the actions of British soldiers was 'both unjustified and unjustifiable', British Prime Minister David Cameron told MPs.


    The order that sent British soldiers into the Bogside 'should not have been given', the inquiry finds, said Mr Cameron.


    The casualties were down to the soldiers 'losing their self control', said Mr Cameron - who told MPs: 'I am deeply, deeply sorry.'


    Mr Cameron said the tribunal found some soldiers had 'knowingly put forward false accounts'.


    Beginning his speech, Mr Cameron said: 'I'm deeply patriotic, I never want to believe anything bad about our country, soldiers, officers who are finest in the world.


    'But, the conclusions are absolutely clear. There's no doubt, nothing equivocal, no ambiguities.'


    'Lord Saville finds on balance, the first shot was fired by the British Army. None of casualties were armed with fire arms.


    'Lord Saville says those killed were fleeing or going to those dying.'


    More to follow...



    Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

    #2
    Justice at long long last...
    The highway's jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive.
    Everybody's out on the run tonight but there\'s no place left to hide.

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      #3
      Finally the people of Derry get some degree of justice. Cameron also had to say that the actions of that awful day helped to swell the ranks of the P-IRA and added to the violence and killings over the following years.

      McGuinness also exonorated which is of benefit to the continuing peace process and to the assembly.

      Cameron couldn't help but say that the British Army are still the best in the world but at least the army have to take all the blame for Bloody Sunday. Also it was good to issue the apology on behalf of the British Govt and State.


      It is just a pity that the soldiers who murdered innocent people will never have to face justice for their crimes but you can't expect everything despite Cameron saying what separates demoratic countries from terrorists is an admission of accountability. Empty enough words if there are no consequences for the guilty.

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        #4

        Originally posted by Benny
        Finally the people of Derry get some degree of justice. Cameron also had to say that the actions of that awful day helped to swell the ranks of the P-IRA and added to the violence and killings over the following years.

        McGuinness also exonorated which is of benefit to the continuing peace process and to the assembly.

        Cameron couldn't help but say that the British Army are still the best in the world but at least the army have to take all the blame for Bloody Sunday. Also it was good to issue the apology on behalf of the British Govt and State.


        It is just a pity that the soldiers who murdered innocent people will never have to face justice for their crimes but you can't expect everything despite Cameron saying what separates demoratic countries from terrorists is an admission of accountability. Empty enough words if there are no consequences for the guilty.
        Particularly empty in the context of Northern Ireland. It's true though - what genuinely marks out the British state's role in Northern Ireland is that it's the only element involved in the peace process that hasn't admitted to wrong doing and has never had a representative put on trial, let alone convicted.

        It was the democratic state that shied away from admitting its transgressions, not the terrorists of either ilk.
        "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

        "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


        "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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          #5
          Glad the innocents have been cleared officially.

          Originally posted by Benny
          McGuinness also exonorated which is of
          benefit to the continuing peace process and to the
          assembly.

          It is just a pity that the soldiers who murdered innocent
          people will never have to face justice for their crimes but
          you can't expect everything despite Cameron saying what
          separates demoratic countries from terrorists is an
          admission of accountability. Empty enough words if there
          are no consequences for the guilty.
          Not sure it completely exonerated McGuiness, initial reports
          from it seem to say he wasnt believable as a witness, had
          a machine gun on the day, may have fired it but didnt
          cause the soldiers to shoot any innocents.

          NI is full of guilty people who are walking around free, most
          of us up here voted for it in the GFA.

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            #6

            Originally posted by bigchiefally
            Glad the innocents have been cleared officially.



            Originally posted by Benny
            McGuinness also exonorated which is of

            benefit to the continuing peace process and to the

            assembly.



            It is just a pity that the soldiers who murdered innocent

            people will never have to face justice for their crimes but

            you can't expect everything despite Cameron saying what

            separates demoratic countries from terrorists is an

            admission of accountability. Empty enough words if there

            are no consequences for the guilty.


            Not sure it completely exonerated McGuiness, initial reports

            from it seem to say he wasnt believable as a witness, had

            a machine gun on the day, may have fired it but didnt

            cause the soldiers to shoot any innocents.



            NI is full of guilty people who are walking around free, most

            of us up here voted for it in the GFA.
            True, BCA, but all of those parties came to the table as violent organisations seeking a way out of violence.

            It still boils my blood that the British security services are the only party who've never had to so much as concede that some of the stuff they did was wrong.
            "We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig deep into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men" Edward R Murrow

            "Little by little, we have been brought into the present condition in which we are able neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them." - Livy


            "I think that progress has been made by two flames that have always been burning in the human heart. The flame of anger against injustice and the flame of hope that you can build a better world" - Tony Benn

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              #7

              Originally posted by bigchiefally
              Glad the innocents have been cleared officially.



              Not sure it completely exonerated McGuiness, initial reports

              from it seem to say he wasnt believable as a witness, had

              a machine gun on the day, may have fired it but didnt

              cause the soldiers to shoot any innocents.



              NI is full of guilty people who are walking around free, most

              of us up here voted for it in the GFA.
              I think you'll find the words used were "he may or may not have been in possession of a machine gun" The important part was that anything he was doing that day did not make it necessary for shots to be fired by the Army.

              Agree on the GFA piece. It is and was a big price that had to be paid for what will hopefully ultimately result in peace, stability and prosperity. If it does I think most will feel it was a price worth paying.

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                #8





                A good day for peace and reconciliation. The relatives reaction was very dignified and I hope it remains so.
                Anybody who sees a psychiatrist would want their head examined.*&nb sp;Henry Ford

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                  #9
                  Good to hear a Tory be the one with the apology.

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                    #10
                    The inquiries into Bloody Friday, La Mon Hotel Bombing, Enniskillen Bombing, Shankill Road Bombing shall be interesting...
                    Commemorate Nevin Spence here -
                    http://www.mycharity.ie/event/munste..._nevin_spence/

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                      #11

                      Originally posted by Jackie Brown
                      The inquiries into Bloody Friday, La Mon Hotel Bombing, Enniskillen Bombing, Shankill Road Bombing shall be interesting...
                      That is a bit ungracious, Jackie. There were police investigations into those terrorist atrocities. Bloody Sunday deserved just as much, and more given that it was a crime perpetrated by the State itself.

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                        #12


                        Originally posted by Jackie Brown
                        The inquiries into Bloody Friday, La Mon Hotel Bombing, Enniskillen Bombing, Shankill Road Bombing shall be interesting...

                        Jackie Brown ? More like Gregory Campbell...

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                          #13

                          Originally posted by Jackie Brown
                          The inquiries into Bloody Friday, La Mon Hotel Bombing, Enniskillen Bombing, Shankill Road Bombing shall be interesting...
                          Ridiculous post. Maybe you are related to David Cameron. He thinks he knows the difference between democratic states and terrorist groups but clearly doesn't as you appear not to.

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                            #14


                            Originally posted by mermoz
                            Originally posted by Jackie Brown
                            The inquiries into Bloody Friday, La Mon Hotel Bombing, Enniskillen Bombing, Shankill Road Bombing shall be interesting...
                            That is a bit ungracious, Jackie. There were police investigations into those terrorist atrocities. Bloody Sunday deserved just as much, and more given that it was a crime perpetrated by the State itself.

                            In fairness even McGuiness said tonight on Prime Time there are other areas that need to be opened up to the public. If I remember correctly the IRA and their council considered themselves the Irish state....
                            Excellence is hard to keep quite - Sherrie Coale

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                              #15


                              Originally posted by McCloud


                              In fairness even McGuiness said tonight on Prime Time there are other areas that need to be opened up to the public. If I remember correctly the IRA and their council considered themselves the Irish state....
                              McGuinness is playing the populist line to keep up his goodwill. Terrorist atrocities have been and are being dealt with by the justice system.

                              The Continuity Army Council consider themselves to be the official and legal Government of Ireland. Nobody else agrees with them so it doesn't really matter what Sinn Féin Poblachtach(RSF) wish to believe. The Irish Constitution backed by the people overrides all else, except the Lisbon treaty naturally.[img]smileys/smile.gif[/img]

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